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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93201: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:20:44 PM

Oh shit that’s funny. [lol]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93202: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:21:09 PM

Except he doesn't have a lack of empathy. He's acting despite his empathy that was still visible on some rare occasions. He's still wrong, but I wouldn't say he's completely lacking empathy.

All other elements, yeah.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:21:35 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93203: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:22:59 PM

the film's description now reads: "Invader. Annihilator. So-called savior. As Thanos moves ever closer to omnipotence, the fate of the universe rests with the Avengers."

'So-called savior' by who? Himself and his four top minions? He's the Mad Titan. He wants to destroy half of all life in the universe. How much debate time are we really going to give this guy?

He's capable of empathy, but he's also unusually capable of suppressing empathy.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 30th 2018 at 3:23:18 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93204: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:25:42 PM

[up] Considering his rep as basically the fucking space boogeyman..... yeah calling him a "so-called savior" is inaccurate too.

He is an unbridled monster, a feeling monster but a monster nonetheless.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:26:12 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
#93205: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:35:37 PM

I could see it if they'd said "self-proclaimed savior".

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93206: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:40:38 PM

Literally nobody who Thanos thinks he's showing empathy towards actually wants it or thinks it's the appropriate response. Which to me makes it not at all empathetic if the receiver doesn't feel listened to. It's just another form of bullying possessiveness.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93207: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:50:50 PM

Well he didn't want to throw Gamora off same as Gamora not wanting to be thrown off.

So desires coincided there, just not all of it & not enough in Thanos' part.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93208: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:51:51 PM

He wanted to throw her off more than he didn't. And he did. So the first part is more important.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 30th 2018 at 2:52:12 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93209: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:54:32 PM

This feels like some kind of weird kids show. "Kids, do you think Gamora wanted to be thrown off a cliff?" [zoom in on Thanos looking confused, pre-recorded kids yell "Nooo!"]

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93210: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:58:07 PM

[up][up] But part of him noticeably didn't want to so he's not completely heartless I guess.

I mean its fun debating the exact morality of an inter-galactic mass-muderorr.

As [up] says, it makes for an amusing game. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93211: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:09:46 PM

If we'd seen Gamora's world actually having any sort of prosperity, then we could buy the survivors seeing it as some sort of saving. But no. Also, Drax doesn't seem to have suggested anything positive happened to count as "saving".

Incidentally, on repeat watch, Gamora's planet was actually more the Maw's mission. We didn't even see Thanos give a single order.

I wonder what order Thanos' army and "Children" came in. We know the Ebony Maw and the Chitauri came before Gamora, and Nebula was probably right after Gamora. But we don't know when he got the Outriders, or the Other, or Proxima, Corvus, or Cull. And outside of Gamora, does he just not consider any of them his (adoptive) children? Even Nebula it doesn't seem like it anymore.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93212: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:34:45 PM

I wouldn't say Thanos showing reluctance to kill Gamora says he has a heart. We have no idea what he likes about her, as Film Crit Hulk pointed out.

FCH: As much as I may care for the character who is being eliminated, I have literally no idea why the other character is making this choice, nor why he even loves this character in the first place. I just know that he “does.”

For all we know, Thanos "values" Gamora in the same way a human values a pet. Or perhaps he's simply an Immortan Joe-style creep who thinks providing food and shelter entitles him to Gamora's servitude. A simple display of affection isn't inherently love. It can just as much be obsession or possessiveness.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 30th 2018 at 3:36:03 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#93213: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:39:24 PM

Yeah, but it doesn't prove he doesn't have a heart, either. And I'm not saying I think he does or that it would change anything if he did — he's still a monster, either way.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 30th 2018 at 7:11:58 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93214: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:40:18 PM

So its a dark parallel to Yondu's joke in how Quill should be grateful that he stopped his crew from eating him & essentially how he raised Quill in general.

Of course the difference is that in the end Yondu died for Quill, Thanos had the opposite happen.

....... Huh that's some damn good writing there. [tup]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#93215: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:44:06 PM

Kind of, yeah. At the very least by the end Yondu had realized that he was a cruddy guy and was trying hard to actually atone for all he did before.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93216: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:44:51 PM

I can't wait for endgame…..

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#93217: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:41:03 PM

A special look at Captain Marvel will play during the College Football Playoff National Chanpionship game on ESPN Jan 7[1] Likely an extended TV spot like we got with Black Panther.

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I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#93218: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:50:39 PM

Or an "extended look" like we got with Iron Man 3.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#93219: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:45:05 PM

The extended look for Iron Man 3 was one of the only good things about the movie.

That, and Can you dig it? A good song is a good song, even in a bad movie.

Edit: Ok, how do you pothole Awesome Music now? Either it's changed from what it used to be, or I'm misspelling it and just don't see it.

[down][down][down] Thanks. Fixed it.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Dec 30th 2018 at 8:49:11 AM

One Strip! One Strip!
wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93220: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:54:46 PM

Seriously, Iron Man 3 was not good.

And I don't see why people disliked 2. Come at me.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93221: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:55:59 PM

Well Vanko wasn’t exactly used well.

You never even find out what happens to his burd in the movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2018 at 6:00:57 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93222: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:59:06 PM

*burd

^^^ SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic. They made it so you require the namespace on it now.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 30th 2018 at 6:59:20 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93223: Dec 30th 2018 at 6:01:04 PM

Seriously, Iron Man 3 was not good.
I disagree. It was a great Shane Black film.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93224: Dec 30th 2018 at 6:02:57 PM

Is rather sad how controversial two-thirds of the Iron Man triology is.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93225: Dec 30th 2018 at 6:10:12 PM

It was a fine sequel to Kiss Kiss Bang Bang/Home Alone.

And I like Trevor Slattery, I don't care what anyone says. He doesn't need to be the Mandarin, I'd still like to see him show up again.


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