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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93176: Dec 30th 2018 at 1:03:24 AM

Worth pointing out that part of Tony's behavior in IW is simply because he's completely and utterly terrified.

Downey really nails it: the way he constantly rubs his hands, cracking voice, often getting distracted. As someone who suffers from periodic anxiety attacks, I can say his portrayal of someone trying his hardest not to give into panic is spot-on.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#93177: Dec 30th 2018 at 1:07:57 AM

Oh yeah, I'll also put in a vote for America Chavez and Kate Bishop joining the MCU.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93178: Dec 30th 2018 at 1:51:20 AM

Well, as I may have implied before, I really want Ironheart because I think the character has tons of potential but the writing very much does not do it justice.
You should read the new Ironheart book by Eve Ewing. Only one issue, but it's pretty damn great so far.

Honestly, Carol really gets on my nerves. I hadn't been reading comics for a while, so Ultimates was my first exposure to both her and America's personalities, and by the end of it I started to wonder how anyone could work with, or enjoy reading, Carol Danvers. Hell, even she realized she sucks partway through, and got better by the end.
Carol got really popular when her book was relaunched as Captain Marvel by Kelly Sue DeConnick and KSD really did show a lot of her personality and make her likeable in ways that other writers couldn't. I would recommend reading KSD's run to really get a feel for Carol.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93179: Dec 30th 2018 at 3:46:21 AM

Wasn't everyone awful in Ultimates?

Not really.

It's just something many people like to blow out of proportion because they saw some out-of-context scans of the very early Mark Millar Ultimates run.

Hell, I'd even go as far and say that certain elements from the UU work far better than the ones from the classic 616 verse.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 30th 2018 at 12:48:29 PM

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#93180: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:31:40 AM

You wouldn't be talking about Nick "Motherfuckin'" Fury, would you?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93181: Dec 30th 2018 at 4:40:15 AM

Actually that's one of the changes I'm fairly indifferent towards^^ Don't get me wrong, Sam Jackson is awesome, but I really like Classic Nick too. I think Clint Eastwood would have been a perfect pick for a white Nick. [1] (Plus, this whole Nick Fury Jr. thing in the 616 verse is just soooo mind-boggling stupid)

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 30th 2018 at 1:40:54 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93182: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:06:25 AM

Frankly, I don't care how ANY character is in the comics, because they all had their douchy periods. Like, "Freedom Fries" Captain America was pretty insufferable. And as far as I can tell, the various universes all have their up and downsides.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93183: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:22:12 AM

Well now that you mention it (*prepares to get torn apart*) I actually genuinely liked Ultimate Cap. Sure, he was a colossal dickhead at first, but he matured into a genuine hero over time.

This development along with the flaws was something that made him much more tangible and believable to me than the classic Cap, who always feels too perfect and downright sue'ish to me.

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#93184: Dec 30th 2018 at 5:43:29 AM

Well, if they ever decide to bring OG!Nick into the movies, Liam Neeson is still alive and kicking (lots of ass).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93185: Dec 30th 2018 at 6:13:52 AM

Alright, just returned from a 4-day cruise.

People generally hated the Ultimate line for including shit like Wasp getting cannabilized by the Blob & Hank biting his head off in retilation.

Though that was around the immense decline.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 30th 2018 at 6:23:37 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93186: Dec 30th 2018 at 6:21:34 AM

Oh yeah, you're not gonna hear me objecting towards that idiot Jeph Loeb screwing up everything via Ultimatum.

Though it did manage to pull itself upp again afterwards at least.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93187: Dec 30th 2018 at 7:17:02 AM

You wouldn't be talking about Nick "Motherfuckin'" Fury, would you?

Oh, if only you knew how literal that was.tongue

From the wiki of Monica Chang, a character from the Ultimate Universe:

Monica Chang was an American soldier, who at one point was saved from enemy forces by Nick Fury at Bosnia. She fell in love with him and married him. Their marriage lasted six months, two weeks and five days, as Monica realized Fury had slept with all of her female friends and relatives including her own mother, so they divorced.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 30th 2018 at 7:18:23 AM

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#93188: Dec 30th 2018 at 7:44:52 AM

Definitely not Eastwood. Neeson could work, but after seeing Creed II and Aquaman recently, I think if regular Fury had to be in, I might suggest Dolph Lundgren.

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Disasturbator
#93189: Dec 30th 2018 at 7:58:47 AM

I was thinking Ralph Fiennes,guy already played a similar role as M

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it's a living
#93190: Dec 30th 2018 at 8:16:55 AM

M is kind of the opposite of Nick Fury, really. But really, the fact that he's already playing one spymaster makes me want to see Ralph Fiennes do something else. Probably a villain, we know he's good at those.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93191: Dec 30th 2018 at 9:14:11 AM

There's also Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's incestuous relationship, Hulk eating people, Wolverine trying to sleep with teenage Mary Jane, Hank Pym being a violent wife beater (and no, not a "I accidentally slap her once in the middle of a mental breakdown" but full-on continuous spousal abuse), Cap's "do you think that this symbol on my head stands for France" line (which makes ZERO sense for Cap to say actually and was so stupid that even Ed Brubaker countered it during his 616 Cap run), Iron Man/Black Widow sex tape, etc.

The Ultimate Universe had some really messed up crap in it throughout.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93192: Dec 30th 2018 at 9:19:38 AM

And most of these issues were later resolved in-universe, which is what I like about it. They didn't try to sugarcoat any of these things either.

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#93193: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:29:42 AM

Not wanting to imply you can't, of course, but personally, it was just too much, too early to swallow.

I got what Millar was trying to do, but it was a touch too much.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93194: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:32:37 AM

Which is perfectly fine to think.

But even people who hated the Ultimates can't deny the awesomeness that is Ultimate Spider-Mancool

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93195: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:34:36 AM

Well it did never go too far.

Boy I think the Ultimate X-Men had it the worst in the asshole department.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93196: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:36:40 AM

Well it's kinda understandable, given how the Government treated them. Seriously, even the worst of the worst from the 616 Government was kindergarten compared to that.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93197: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:46:49 AM

This is all a moot point, because we were discussing the 616 Ultimates, rather than the 1610 Ultimates.

Comics!

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#93198: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:48:54 AM

Just glad the films haven't started with the multiple Earths thing,that thing gets confusing way too quick

And time travel,comics always seem to have time travel

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#93199: Dec 30th 2018 at 10:52:16 AM

Well Agents started with that recently. Can't say I was TOO thrilled by it, but many others liked it.

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#93200: Dec 30th 2018 at 2:16:22 PM

Netflix Changed Its Description of 'Infinity War' After Backlash From Fans

In short: The original description had it that Thanos was an inter-galactic sociopath, but Draco in Leather Pants ensued, so Netflix caved and changed it.


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