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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#93076: Dec 26th 2018 at 8:35:34 PM

A whole lot of crap could have been avoided if Loki hadn't pocketed the Tesseract.

He leaves it behind, Infinity War is three hours of the Asgardians going to Earth unmolested while Thanos grabs a shovel and digs around for it in the ruins of Asgard.

This place is careless.
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93077: Dec 26th 2018 at 8:42:39 PM

[up]Well, the imagine of Thannos shoving to get the stone is already in my mindtongue.

Also is funny in how Loki end exactly how it beguns: in front of Thannos making the promise of returing the tesseract and Thannos repaying is threat in the avenger of killing him for is faliure.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KJMackley Since: Jan, 2001
#93078: Dec 27th 2018 at 12:26:12 AM

The very premise of blaming Zemo for dividing the Avengers, and thus leading to Thanos victory is flawed because the events of the movie itself does not depend on the breaking of the Avengers. The initial attack and capture of Strange happens within 20-30 minutes in story (Q ship drops in, Spider-Man has enough time to assist). Even if Tony called Steve right away, there was nothing anyone could do to prevent what happened because of the immediacy of the event. Likewise, the one moment that might have lead to a problem was Steve returning to the Avengers Compound, and that was dismissed as pointless with the threat of Thanos. Functionally, the events of Civil War had no impact on the Infinity War story beyond some emotional hand-wringing. Even Vision and Wanda being AWOL could be rewritten as a vacation and it wouldn't impact the plot.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93079: Dec 27th 2018 at 12:36:49 AM

I'm pretty sure that in Endgame it will be shown that all Avengers working together as a unit would have made all of the difference.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93080: Dec 27th 2018 at 3:19:05 AM

[up]Maybe but so far is pointless especuation.

Also, saying zemo is guilty of breaking the avenger put all the issue on him, without living the whole thing with the sokovia accords, which was what let to the airport fight...you know, the thing that actually break the avengers, Zemo finish them up sure, but the accord the heavy lifting.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93081: Dec 27th 2018 at 4:48:37 AM

[up] You are right.

It's naturally Tony's fault. Because if he hadn't created Ultron, Sokovia hadn't been destroyed and Zemo hadn't had a reason to break up the Avengers. And we all know that Tony is the biggest villain in the MCU. tongue

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93083: Dec 27th 2018 at 6:18:27 AM

I've always found it funny how MCU Ultron seems less outright villainous than comics Ultron even though both ultimately wanted to wipe out humanity. It's probably because they are based on different people and thus embody different negative traits. MCU Ultron embodies Tony Stark's Control Freak and unfettered techno futurist traits without any of the humanizing qualities and restraint the actual Tony Stark has. Comics Ultron on the other hand is just Hank Pym except he embraces Hank's repressed misanthropy rather than suppress it.

Disgusted, but not surprised
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#93084: Dec 27th 2018 at 6:23:05 AM

[up] true[tup].

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#93085: Dec 27th 2018 at 6:52:14 AM

I'm pretty sure that in Endgame it will be shown that all Avengers working together as a unit would have made all of the difference.

I'm pretty sure it won't. Or, rather, if this ends in a united beam spam attack like Age of Ultron, I'll feel cheated out of the complex story that the Russos were building. Thanos already set the bar: he sacrificed something he loved. Some sort of equivalent sacrifice will be required from the heroes if they are to have any chance. Only then can the scales be balanced.

Regardless, we'd have to get the rest of the Avengers back for any such scene to happen, which is half of the victory right there. If we get some sort of iconic group attack shot after that so the fans can have something to cheer at, sure, why not.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93086: Dec 27th 2018 at 6:54:37 AM

[up][up]I'm just glad MCU!Hank has a chance to be an actual, respected character now, rather than the walking punchline the comics turned him into.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#93087: Dec 27th 2018 at 7:08:08 AM

I say we blame Aunt May.tongue

Because why not?

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Disasturbator
#93088: Dec 27th 2018 at 7:09:07 AM

I read that as Hulk and was like "Huh,Hulk doesn't seem like a comical character.."

edit:> I say we blame Aunt May

I blame Uncle Ben

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 27th 2018 at 3:09:35 PM

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#93089: Dec 27th 2018 at 7:11:48 AM

May did marry Doc Ock that one time. She might secretly be an evil mastermind.

Plus she's been a Herald of Galactus, so who knows what sinister ideas she may be cooking up.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 27th 2018 at 8:12:07 AM

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#93090: Dec 27th 2018 at 8:37:45 AM

“Oh great, it’s Liv.”

(Don’t give any more context to that; restrain the spoilers.)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93091: Dec 27th 2018 at 8:56:00 AM

Moviebob's interpretation of that one was...interesting….

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#93092: Dec 27th 2018 at 8:57:35 AM

Try all of Tumblr and Twitter. [lol]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93093: Dec 27th 2018 at 9:05:49 AM

I avoid both. And Facebook. Does wonders for my state of mind.

indigoJay from The Astral Plane Since: Dec, 2018 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#93094: Dec 27th 2018 at 9:15:51 AM

I think the idea of blaming a character simply because the snap may or may not have happened without their actions is pointless: in addition to previously-made points about how Thanos is the only culpable one, you can pick literally any character and point out how some small part of Thanos's plan would've been altered had they acted differently. That said, I think the only character you can really blame besides Thanos is Wanda, who repeatedly refused to take an action that she knew would prevent the snap, which wasn't a spur-of-the-moment decision. (Forgive me if I'm repeating stuff that's already been said, I couldn't read every single one of the previous posts on this forum.)

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93095: Dec 27th 2018 at 9:19:10 AM

Its all ifs anyway so its all pointless in the end.

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#93096: Dec 27th 2018 at 9:23:58 AM

This is all Strange's fault. If he had just let Dormammu take over this dimension, none of this would've happened. tongue

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93097: Dec 27th 2018 at 10:10:24 AM

Y'all wrong, the true responsible for the Snap was clearly Howard the Duck!

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93098: Dec 27th 2018 at 10:28:49 AM

We can blame thor for not playing shooters, that way he should one you ALWAYS goes for the head.

Silly asgardian doing silly thingstongue

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93099: Dec 27th 2018 at 12:49:43 PM

Disney's Captain Marvel website may or may not have confirmed who Jude Law is playing. And considering the Funko Pop stated he was "Yon-Rogg," I'm going to guess that he's playing a composite character of Mar-Vell and Yon-Rogg. Should be pretty interesting.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#93100: Dec 27th 2018 at 2:58:29 PM

Honestly, unless it turns out Quill was secretly ordered by Strange to do what he did as part of his endgame plan, nothing is going to make me stop blaming him. It's gonna be a long time before I let him off the hook for this. The thing is, I understand completely why he did what he did, and can admit that I'd probably do the same thing...if I lived long enough to reach that point.

The reason I lay more blame on him than on Thanos...is because Thanos is the bad guy. I expect him to do horrible things. That's not a shock.

What I expect Quill to do is stop him. To come through when it matters most, because he's a hero. Not a good hero, but a hero nonetheless. He didn't. His action, while not the sole act that led to our heroes defeat still played a huge part in it. You can argue a lot of other shit would go wrong if they did get the Gauntlet off (or that Nebula could have helped in anyway, either assisting Spiderman and Tony with taking it off, so that when Tony tried to stop Quill, there's still be someone else with Super Strength working on it or by simply clocking Quill over the head to stop him from fucking up), and you'd be right, but at this point I fully acknowledge that I'm being neither fair nor logical about it, and I will continue to blame him.

He's kinda ruined for me. Though I still enjoy his two previous movies.

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