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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93026: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:47:19 PM

Jeremy Renner was cast back when they were still leaning pretty heavily on The Ultimates, but then they never really let him do any of the scary Bullseye-ish things that made Ultimate Hawkeye at least somewhat novel. Not to go all shipper about it either, but the implied history between Clint and Natasha was another hook for his character that they backed right off of. I wouldn't mind lovable goofball Hawkeye and I think Renner could pull it off — I've seen some of his work from when he was a thankless character actor, he's more versatile than Hawkeye and the Bourne movies would have you believe — but then that's kind of hard to buy knowing he's this responsible, built-my-own-house kind of army dad. So I don't really know. My interest is at least piqued, given that Black Widow is finally getting her own movie, that maybe they'll give Hawkeye/Ronin some moderately heavy lifting to do in Endgame.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 25th 2018 at 4:53:30 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93027: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:49:10 PM

If they could find some sort of permanent excuse to get rid of the family that might lead to a more interesting, Fraction-inspired Hawkeye, but I think that ship has mostly sailed.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93028: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:11:43 PM

[up]In part because people like the family, every intent right now to ger rid of it sound like and atempt to edgy the chararter.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93029: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:13:06 PM

I would like to see Clint kill a bunch of guys with his own fingernails.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93030: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:17:03 PM

Clint being the one Avenger who IS able to mostly balance being an Avenger/SHIELD agent, with having a stable family life, is part of why I like him in these films. Trying to "get rid" of his family just strikes me as overly mean-spirited and cynical and we have enough heroes in the MCU with broken/fractured family lives as it is.

Edited by Punisher286 on Dec 25th 2018 at 4:17:41 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#93031: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:19:06 PM

[up]I think we can be reasonably sure them getting Snapped is the reason he's Ronin. So the writers didn't have to do anything overtly horrible to them onscreen, he'll eventually get them back, but he won't be quite the same when he does. I can imagine that being the thought process.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93032: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:21:56 PM

Trying to "get rid" of his family just strikes me as overly mean-spirited and cynical and we have enough heroes in the MCU with broken/fractured family lives as it is.

It ain't that deep. I find human disaster Clint Barton far more interesting and enjoyable than what we've seen in the films thus far, so it's the way I lean.

Like, for the life of me, I don't think I could come up with three personality traits to describe MCU Hawkeye if I were being quizzed. He's easily the least defined of the original 6 Avengers.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 25th 2018 at 4:23:13 AM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93033: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:29:31 PM

I find the need for hero's to have dysfunctional personal lives and/or tragic stories to be boring myself. It's an overused cliché and I have no interest in seeing it here. Well permanently anyway since I bet that Clint's family comes back when Thanos's finger snap is reversed.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93034: Dec 25th 2018 at 4:32:19 PM

I find the need for hero's to have dysfunctional personal lives and/or tragic stories to be boring myself

Cool. I find MCU Clint Barton to be pretty boring myself, which is why I'd prefer a more comic-accurate take.

Well permanently anyway since I bet that Clint's family comes back when Thanos's finger snap is reversed.

Probably. It's sadly a bit too late to try and do something with Hawkeye. He probably ain't getting his own Spin-Off anytime soon.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 25th 2018 at 6:01:51 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93035: Dec 25th 2018 at 5:59:22 PM

Guys, guys, we already have a lovable loser version of Hawkeye — his name is Lance Hunter.

Seriously, don't believe me?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93036: Dec 25th 2018 at 6:30:22 PM

He’s not Hawkeye though.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93037: Dec 25th 2018 at 6:49:44 PM

He's more Comic Hawkeye than MCU Hawkeye is.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93038: Dec 25th 2018 at 6:52:08 PM

I think he was originally intended to be Hawkeye.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93039: Dec 25th 2018 at 6:58:27 PM

Lance Hunter? No, he was always intended to be Lance Hunter, but they gave him a bunch of qualities from Comic Book Hawkeye (including: having been married to Mockingbird) because those qualities had been left out of the MCU Hawkeye.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93040: Dec 25th 2018 at 7:00:31 PM

It’s a damn shame really.

Especially since he got the relationship with Mockingbird.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93041: Dec 25th 2018 at 7:06:49 PM

Man, Bobbi was awesome. I really do wish they would bring her back (even with the actress being in The Orville) or use her in a movie or something. (Here's Lance Hunter's video.)

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93042: Dec 25th 2018 at 7:33:20 PM

Bobbi got on a space ship. Clearly she will return as the first line against the Skrulls.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93043: Dec 25th 2018 at 8:24:04 PM

The only character from the expanded Coulson Team I cared about was Mack, so I can live.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93044: Dec 25th 2018 at 8:39:19 PM

I only want to know if the next season give her more names or nicknames: Skye, Mary sue, Daisy, Quake, Worldbreaker.....the list goes one and onetongue

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#93045: Dec 26th 2018 at 12:48:04 AM

About as bad as comics Hank Pym: Ant-man, Giant-man, Goliath, Yellowjacket, Ultron...

Edited by M84 on Dec 27th 2018 at 4:48:31 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#93046: Dec 26th 2018 at 12:50:50 AM

...Hank Pym, Scientific Adventurer; Hank Pym, Earth's Scientist Supreme; Hank Pym, Agent of G.R.A.M.P.A.; the Wasp.

And yes, all of those are names he's used.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 26th 2018 at 12:51:22 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93047: Dec 26th 2018 at 12:53:07 AM

" Earth's Scientist Supreme"

Strange: Trying to crib my style, isnt?.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#93048: Dec 26th 2018 at 2:56:50 AM

Hey guys aperantly Keanu Reeves wants to play woverine

DRAGON DRAGON
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93049: Dec 26th 2018 at 4:38:40 AM

Can't we have no wolverine for a while? Please?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93050: Dec 26th 2018 at 6:00:27 AM

Edit: Wait, Worldbreaker!? Just because the Green Scar is unlikely to ever be introduced doesn't mean you can just give out his nicknames to any bugger who comes asking, Marvel Studios!

[up]I second that notion.

I love Wolverine, but we need some focus on other X-Men for now, X-23 has already been introduced and her actress is just the best, and frankly I want to enjoy this grief for a little while longer.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 26th 2018 at 11:02:46 AM


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