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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#93001: Dec 25th 2018 at 10:47:22 AM

Well, that joke is amazing.

At least they didn’t do the same thing to Scar Jo’s costume....

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93002: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:11:06 PM

It's not great, just obligatory.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93003: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:22:31 PM

Hawkeye's consistently been thought of as the weak link among the original 6 Avengers, so I can see why they wanna give him a bit of an overhaul. Plus they probably think having him use a katana and martial arts will offset the "LOL he's useless because he uses a bow and arrow" meme.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93004: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:37:28 PM

[up]Is the katana going to give him superpower? no? then he is still usless, just with a pseudo asian make up now.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#93005: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:53:09 PM

Katanas are scientifically proven to be cooler than bows.

This song needs more love.
Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#93006: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:53:36 PM

then why did his absence from infinity war was met with backlash from fans and created a meme (were is hawkeye)

Last time cheaking hawkeye was an ironic Ensemble Dark Horse

Edited by Drakon69 on Dec 25th 2018 at 10:54:35 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93007: Dec 25th 2018 at 12:55:13 PM

[up]You are confusing hawkeye haing a good personality that fans like to him being important to the avenger as a whole, he is still the weak link and a otaku new make up is not going to change it.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#93008: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:01:20 PM

There's nothing damn wrong with Hawkeye.

I mean, we see him taking out Chitauri small cruisers (those weird sky boat things) while not even bothering to look and casually chatting with Stark on the radio (he's the one who notes they can't turn worth a damn). I suspect that after Stark, Thor and Hulk doing the heavy lifting, he takes out the most Chitauri by virtue of his accuracy, his range, and the different affects of his arrows.

But because he does't get as much screen time, people decided it was funny to treat him as the useless Avenger, so they are determined to shit on him.

There's nothing wrong with Hawkeye. It's just another stupid meme that caught for no reason.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93009: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:01:42 PM

If he’s a weak link then why were people complaining about his disappearance from Infinity War?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#93010: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:03:54 PM

In some cases, because people actually missed him.

In other cases, probably just so they can go back to mocking him and keeping up their Hawkeye is useless meme.

But probably mostly because it did seem strange that he just wasn't there.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93011: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:04:42 PM

[up][up][up]No much a stupid meme but a s natural reaction of no heavy hitters in the avengers, a movie focus in big epic battles with hundred of mooks were they dosent feel they belong, Tony,Thor and Hulk everything, Cap is strategeist and the one who cordinate.

[up][up]Again confusing is utility with is personality.

[up]Strange? he was in the ship so not strange at alltongue

Edited by unknowing on Dec 25th 2018 at 5:05:17 AM

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#93012: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:09:19 PM

> Katanas are scientifically proven to be cooler than bows.

his weapon will be a bow that fires Katanas

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93013: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:10:13 PM

[up][up] I am not confusing anything.

Hawkeye’s pretty dope when used right.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 25th 2018 at 1:12:34 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#93015: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:40:59 PM

If he’s a weak link then why were people complaining about his disappearance from Infinity War?

I mean he has his fans even if he's dunked on a lot. And by the end a lot of that seemed to be less genuine outrage and more Memetic Mutation.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#93016: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:43:45 PM

Jeremy Renner isn’t that dynamic or interesting; he got some good moments in Ao U (mostly quipping at Pietro; I didn’t like the family thing) but I didn’t miss him in the already crowded Infinity War.

I’d much rather get more Cap in Endgame after he got minimal time in Infinity War than uncomfortably Japanese influenced “my family is deaaad” Hawkeye.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93017: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:48:44 PM

I actually loved the family stuff, it's some of my favorite stuff from that movie in fact. And also his dynamic with Natasha and Wanda is kind of cool as well.

As for Ronin, it basically just means a warrior without a master, home, or a purpose. That seems to fit Clint well if his family is indeed dead.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#93018: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:53:28 PM

[up]Maybe but haing that in a asian angle out of nowhere feels.....off and weird, is like Cap having a russian codename after Civil war, is just odd.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#93019: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:57:58 PM

I love archery so that alone gives me reason to love Hawkeye. I hope he isn't katana-exclusive in Endgame, as cool as they are.

Real samurai used their longbows more than katanas, after all.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#93020: Dec 25th 2018 at 1:58:00 PM

We don't even know if he's going to be called that in the film itself. I mean he's called "Hakweye" like once in the first Avengers film (also Selvig calls him "the Hawk" at one point) and you can barely hear it. And he's only referred to by that name a few times in the MCU so far. So it's possible that they're just using the costume as an inspiration, but not necessarily the name.

Also it's a bit different from Cap because being Captain AMERICA is literally built into the identity of his character.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#93021: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:13:38 PM

[up][up]While I also love archery, Ronin!Clint is very clearly a ninja, which several Real Life Ronin became when they gave up searching for a master to serve.

Besides, I don't think the Russos are in any way obligated to get that detail right when Japan rarely does, either.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#93022: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:17:03 PM

I feel like they chose the wrong actor for Hawkeye - Renner’s always seemed pretty downbeat - the cool snarker type. We need someone more along the lines of lovable goofball Hawkeye.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#93023: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:19:44 PM

Jeremy Renner does snarking just fine. He just doesn't get a lot of opportunities to show it.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#93024: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:22:46 PM

I mean, yeah, but my point was I feel like Hawkeye’s more than just snark - there’s something of an...energy, I suppose, that Renner just doesn’t give to the part.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#93025: Dec 25th 2018 at 3:42:38 PM

I think his performance in Tag was a more comedic Hawkeye.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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