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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#92926: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:10:12 PM

[up][up] Confiscated by the US government? I thought it'd be pretty cool if they decided to use the Chameleon in one of the Spider-Man movies and had him use that tech to showcase his master of disguise abilities.

Edited by chasemaddigan on Dec 24th 2018 at 4:10:34 AM

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#92927: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:11:19 PM

Maybe the face masks are super expensive or have a short battery life.

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#92928: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:11:48 PM

wild mass guessIt's really expensive technology ,hence why they can't use it all the time

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#92929: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:13:42 PM

Presumably the face mask is S.H.I.E.L.D.-tech that she was using and not a thing she owns as a private citizen.

Black Widow is many things, but a genius inventor isn't among them. She uses guns. She doesn't make guns.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 24th 2018 at 2:14:53 AM

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#92930: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:14:45 PM

From what I remember, they were really thin, so maybe they tear/break easily.

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#92931: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:20:52 PM

wild mass guessThe tech is actually on loan from a certain advanced group of blue skinned aliens and they would NOT be to find their tech dented from use,it's a good way to end up their "Do not accept money from these guys they break stuff" list

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#92932: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:24:04 PM

Agents of SHIELD also showed that they melt onto your face if they get zapped.

This place is careless.
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#92933: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:27:11 PM

So, the illusion face masks are useful, but there's a lot of potential problems they could have to justify their lack of use, and one HUGE problem they do have.

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#92934: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:30:15 PM

I wanna know why in AOU, her spy suit has those weird blue neon things. I mean if your goal is to sneak around, or use stealth, I'd think wearing a suit with freaking lights on it would not be beneficial.

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#92935: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:34:16 PM

Not doing much sneaking with the Avengers. I think it's just because they keep trying to push Black Widow's gimmick as electricity and Yellow Lightning, Blue Lightning is a thing.

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#92936: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:41:53 PM

Because her Avengers suit was designed by Tony Stark. There's a quick one-off line from Tony that explains everyone's costuming in the film:

"Uh, he's the boss. I just pay for everything and design everything and make everyone look cooler."

So, yeah. That's why her sneaking suit is covered in blue LEDs.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 24th 2018 at 2:42:19 AM

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#92937: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:50:31 PM

Black Widow won't use the face mask because it can only disguise her as that old World Council woman. There are no other face options.

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#92938: Dec 24th 2018 at 1:54:08 PM

The mask shows your true self. Agent 33 was Agent May, Agent May was Agent Coulson, Agent Coulson was a big friendly golden retriever. It just got too confusing.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92939: Dec 24th 2018 at 3:20:51 PM

The face mask thing falls under Awesome, but Impractical: sure, you can change faces, but one hit from a loose wire and that mask will melt to your face. Ward and Agent 33 had to find the inventor of the mask in order to fix it and even then, he couldn't completely remove the mask.

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#92940: Dec 24th 2018 at 4:17:38 PM

On the bright side, she became a shapeshifter in anything but name.

BTW, where does that mask gets power from? Is it a bio-electricity thing?

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#92941: Dec 24th 2018 at 4:21:33 PM

its powered by magic plot device

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92942: Dec 24th 2018 at 4:26:30 PM

I am okay with Fury living at the end of The Winter Soldier because Pierce is more a dark reflection of him than of Cap.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92943: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:05:12 PM

[up]For me that is why Nick should have die, ether with Shield or a result of is own sins, after all he have being nothing for the past films and I dont think the MCU lost anything with him,

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chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
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#92944: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:15:08 PM

So, I guess everybody's forgetting when Fury guest-starred in the season one finale of Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92945: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:19:44 PM

[up][up] SHIELD isn't his sin, though. While he advocates for keeping it around, the events of the film aren't emblematic of him as a character. They're his responsibility, sure, but you could say the same about Cap.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92946: Dec 24th 2018 at 5:59:33 PM

It's not Fury's sin, though. It is about his temptation. Remember, Fury told Cap about the Helicarriers. So...why do you think did he do that? I think he did it because he wanted a second opinion from the walking moral compass. And he was worried enough to delay the project.

Now, Fury made his mistakes in structuring Shield. But the very point is that unlike Pierce he never went over the line far enough to kill people for what they might be in the future.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#92947: Dec 24th 2018 at 6:03:29 PM

Also according to Zola, HYDRA's infiltration of SHIELD was happening pretty much from the beginning, LONG before Fury was in charge. So the only thing that Fury was "guilty" of is not spotting it sooner (and he did notice that something was up eventually, it just took him awhile). But the whole thing was not his fault.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92948: Dec 24th 2018 at 7:01:02 PM

But it IS sin, Fury stoob over project insight and try to kept it, and Pierce fall to Villany come from going to the logical extreme of the "Hard men does hard choice" of Fury.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#92949: Dec 24th 2018 at 7:04:32 PM

Not really. Fury isn't responsible for Pierce taking exactly the wrong lesson from him rescuing hostages from terrorists, and Project Insight is basically Drone Strikes on a bigger scale, and he DID try and get it delayed when he started to get suspicious.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92950: Dec 24th 2018 at 7:18:44 PM

While Fury is not responsable, is his pragmatic and steping over the law that Pierce got is ideas, is easy to see what fury does and jump to HYDRA as sort of logical conclution.

And Drone strike are already controversial subject, he expanding that into what is pretty much Trakin doctrine with three death stars, to miniminze that sound....awfull.

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