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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#92826: Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:37:34 AM

[up] true.

Edited by Drakon69 on Dec 23rd 2018 at 1:38:31 PM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92827: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:19:31 AM

What's the problem with the Hulkbuster fight?

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#92828: Dec 23rd 2018 at 7:58:28 AM

I'm really surprised that so many people dislike Age of Ultron around here. I gotta be honest: I like it more than Avengers 1.

Avengers 1 isn't bad by any means, but I think 6 years after its release, it has fallen victim to "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny a little.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 23rd 2018 at 5:01:30 PM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#92829: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:06:28 AM

I used to think Age of Ultron was better than the first one as well, but my personal review on the film explains why I found it the weaker film in the end.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92830: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:13:57 AM

I like it less than the other Avenger movies, but I don't dislike it. The movie has its problems, but there is enough good in it to balance out the bad.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92831: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:16:25 AM

[up][up][up][up]It general the fight is pointless, it dosent really bring more and it was the reason the whole "Wanda is still guilty" fight that it break out here every now and them because Wanda mind whammy Hulk who cause a big break out in south africa(and could or could not have killed someone), is also the big situation the avenger have no excuse because one of their own lose control, was let loose in a big city and the guilty parto who did(wanda) Join the avengers....

In general, the fight bring more issue the more you think of it.

[up]For it dosent, I find the movie quite a of a mess, move to fast, introduce some questionable choices(Nat and Bruce, Tony being near a villian) and I feel wheedon plagarize himself in the structure(the avenger facing a talkative villian who throw a lot of mooks in the last part for example).

Edited by unknowing on Dec 23rd 2018 at 12:20:08 PM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92832: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:41:56 AM

[up] His name is spelled "Whedon." One "e." Joss Whedon.

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Disasturbator
#92833: Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:56:31 AM

I thought it weas spelled weedon

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 23rd 2018 at 8:56:43 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92834: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:01:12 AM

Well, here is a list of what I like about Age of Ultron (in no particular order):

1. The "lift the hammer" scene. Wonderful character study.

2. More or less everything related to Clint. I just love the notion of him being able to have a healthy family life on top of being an Avenger.

3. Steve's dream sequence. So deep.

4. Tony creating Ultron. The step just makes so much sense for him.

5. Ultron not being the typical emotionless uberlogical Roboter but an emotional being.

6. The visual and thematical references to Zombie movies and Frankenstein.

7. Wanda's and Pietro's backstory

8. The whole farm scene with a special shout-out to the wood chopping scene

9. Claw. Just Claw. Gotta love me some Serkis.

10. The whole idea with the flying city is pretty great if you ask me.

11. Also the idea that an IA would be able to overtake the whole internet and to jump from robot to robot (thus said, I think it was a mistake to NOT have a scene in which Ultron speaks through all of his robots at once, just to put the point across.

12. Vision, especially his confrontation with Ultron. But everything else he does, too.

13. War machine gets some Avengers action!

14. The End credits. Which might sound odd, but this giant statue depicting the battle against ultron, I kind of love that thing.

15. While I don't like pretty much anything related to Brutasha, I like the notion of Natasha "betraying" Banner and forcible turning him into the Hulk. I just wish she had done it as an Avenger, not as a love interest.

16. Wanda fighting. I somehow can't get enough of seeing Wanda throwing around her red energy.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92835: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:07:26 AM

I like Ao U better than A1 for one simple reason: stuff actually happens in the latter, while the former, for me, just dicks around for 1.5 hours waiting for the big action setpiece at the end to happen, with nothing of substance before it happening.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92836: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:16:18 AM

What happens beforehand is that the heroes interact with each other. That's important, you know.

Also, the final battle is already the fourth action set-piece in the movie.

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#92837: Dec 23rd 2018 at 9:34:39 AM

I also like age of ultron more for the same reasons as Swanpride.

And also because it develops the characters more. (because they now know each other). Witch is also why i like the GOTG vol.2 more than vol.1

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#92838: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:11:12 AM

For me, Avengers: Age of Ultron has a lot of good individual scenes and moments, but it never really conceals into a single whole. I wouldn't say it's overstuffed, as it doesn't have as much characters to handle like the Russo films. But I do feel like a lot of character arcs are underdeveloped and the Central Theme of the film gets muddled as a result. It's definitely the weakest of the three Avengers films to me, and I feel with a couple of rewrites the film could've been really great.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#92839: Dec 23rd 2018 at 10:17:06 AM

It just seemed like a lot of the character choices AOU made were missteps, and it felt like it even as the movie was still going on. It's not necessarily a bad movie on its own, but it feels out of sync with the larger MCU, and that harder to enjoy. That, and it couldn't help but across like Joss Whedon inserting his pet themes and unmistakable dialogue into characters where they no longer really fit, while ignoring the work others, including the writers, directors, and actors, had been doing in their individual movies.

There are some cool moments, definitely. I'd like to enjoy it more than I do, let's say.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:34:32 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92840: Dec 23rd 2018 at 11:01:47 AM

Swan: I get but there some point I have to content.

" Tony creating Ultron. The step just makes so much sense for him." It make more sense than Hank that is sure, but managing to get away with that is....annoying.

" Ultron not being the typical emotionless uberlogical Roboter but an emotional being."

That would be good but I dont really like is personality that much, because he snark in a movie full of it, when he dont he just monologe pseudo deep stuff(he remind to Bv S lex luthor) while thinking he is threating, the fact is final fight is just thoring mooks and seriously expecting that to work is hilarious.

". Also the idea that an IA would be able to overtake the whole internet and to jump from robot to robot"

Meh, I mean is cool in south africa but it lost steam fast, it also let to the meme of "Ultron become evil by watching the internet for 5 minutes", if you ask me, he look too deep into tv tropestongue

"I somehow can't get enough of seeing Wanda throwing around her red energy."

No bad but I would love to see her doing something that spooky jazz hand.

At least for me I like some of the same stuff but it feel Ultron is a laser villian that loki(who kinda have the same plan) which is less threating, there is stuff like the whole "someone is stoping Ultron to get missile code" which I feel is unecesary and Ultron rambling with is motivation over and over.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92841: Dec 23rd 2018 at 11:04:59 AM

@Swanpride: None of the action scenes before the Battle of New York are any good, and none of the dialogue is particularly interesting or engaging except the one with Banner and Tony at the lab.

I do like the Galaga Guy joke, if only because I really see myself doing that tongue.

Obviously that's all my opinion and I can't speak for everyone until the device is completed.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#92842: Dec 23rd 2018 at 11:11:52 AM

And now for memes' sake the Russos have declared him kaput. Oh well.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92843: Dec 23rd 2018 at 11:25:03 AM

wild mass guessOffscreen between Avengers and Infinity War, Galaga Guy joined the Nova Corps and got to do it for real. However, he deemed it less exciting than the game and quit not long after enlisting.wild mass guess

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92844: Dec 23rd 2018 at 1:59:20 PM

Now im looking the sequel to Thor.

Loki: Dark world.

With: Loki!; Loki stupid that, Loki wonderfull Mon, the Star trek reject villians, Other asgardians that annoy loki, werid human who dosent give a damn because they are not related to Loki and.....and.....ok, maybe....thor.....ugh.

Jokes aside, Freya is such amazing chararter, kind to Loki, protecing Jane, have to deal with is ex warmonger husband.....

And Malekith look he would be better in start trek of battlestart galatica than in Thor.

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#92845: Dec 23rd 2018 at 2:28:01 PM

I've said this a few times in different forums, but I enjoy Age of Ultron more if I pretend it's really "Iron Man 4".

I'm in the camp that considers "Civil War" the real Avengers 2.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92846: Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:46:48 PM

Yeah, there's way too much Iron Man in Civil War to be just a Captain America flick, though it does pleases me how he's the one that pushes the story forward the most.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#92847: Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:50:12 PM

Well Iron Man pretty much was the main antagonist in the original Civil War comic.

If they ever adapt Civil War II expect the same to happen to Carol.

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Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#92848: Dec 23rd 2018 at 3:53:06 PM

Also love the hammer scene for the most part. Really could've done without the rape joke though. And before someone says it wasn't a rape joke, prima nocta is inherently non-consensual. There's no excuse for such a shitty line.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92849: Dec 23rd 2018 at 4:11:57 PM

[up]Which is weird because in some trailer Stark use "I will be fair but cruel" refiring itself as ruler of asgard, it fit him way better.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92850: Dec 23rd 2018 at 4:29:56 PM

Eh, the "prima nocta" line didn't bother so much by itself, and more due to the fact the trailer line was both funnier and fit Tony better.

I mean, he was essentially turning himself into World Police while making Ultron, so it fit his role into the story.


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