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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#92776: Dec 21st 2018 at 8:53:09 PM

None of those will ever top the glory that is the Golden Oldie.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#92777: Dec 21st 2018 at 9:03:25 PM

I do love Golden Oldie.

I'm surprised none of the LEGO Marvel Superhero games included her. The Living Totem is playable in the second one.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92778: Dec 21st 2018 at 10:13:36 PM

I love comics that have to assure you coming in that they're not, in fact, a joke.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92779: Dec 21st 2018 at 10:28:16 PM

Technically, the Golden Oldie is, in fact, a joke: that Marvel Team-Up issue was part of "Assistant Editor's Month" where the assistant editor wrote the story, which was generally bizarre and silly. In the issue, it turns out it was All Just a Dream. Or, as the Marvel wiki puts it: "Soon Peter Parker wakes up and learns that it was all a dream. Then Danny Fingeroth wakes up and learns it was all a dream. Then Jim Shooter wakes up and learns it was all a dream. Then Stan Lee wakes up and..."

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#92780: Dec 21st 2018 at 10:31:15 PM

Do we have a trope for those nested "all just a dream" awakenings? I've seen it pretty often.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#92782: Dec 21st 2018 at 10:39:21 PM

Ah, I didn't realize that trope covered the absurd multi-layer gag version too.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#92783: Dec 22nd 2018 at 3:15:37 AM

@Hail Muffins: Umm, character development both on trope page and wikipedia point out its essentially same thing as character arc, its not about literally developing a character or fleshing them out, its how character develops over the course of the story. So umm yeah, it is about progression.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#92784: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:43:02 AM

Both Wikipedia and this website are user-edited, and neither are necessarily definitive or comprehensive. (The Other Wiki's disambiguation page for Character Development could probably also link to Characterization, given that it already links to video/tabletop game character creation and leveling up, as well the idea of moral character.) Definitions of terms can and do still vary. Language is imprecise, and different writers and teachers have used the word "development" to mean different things.

I personally would have said that a dynamic character changing over the course of a given arc is one form of development — a static or initially flat character who is rounded out or given added depth over time would be developing that character as well. As it is, TV Tropes kind of approaches from the opposite direction, where flows out of Character Depth. It's not wrong, it just shows that what people view as the 'top' or starting point is a matter of personal perspective.

I think the initial branching point here is just about whether you take character development to be about something the character is doing (the character is actively developing throughout the story) versus something the author is doing (the author is developing a character in front of the audience over the course of the work). But neither one is actually wrong, and they're not mutually exclusive, either. It's just a matter of being on the same page when discussing them.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 22nd 2018 at 6:03:46 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92785: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:00:30 AM

Well, I define Character Development exclusively as something the Author does, as in they develop a character so we can better understand it, giving it depth, etc.

If a character changes over the course of the story (which is not necessarily development), that's just the way the Author chose to develop that character, and just because it's the most common it doesn't mean it is the only one that exists.

@Gaon: Yeah, a bit of a dick move on my part to just assume Ryan Coogler has the sole claim to how well M'Baku was written.

In my defense, I have not read a lot of Black Panther comics.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#92786: Dec 22nd 2018 at 7:18:35 AM

[up]You're free to use that restriction for yourself, but others may not. It's not really something that can be enforced either way. I think both are fine, personally. You just have to define your terms when talking about them, make sure everyone's on the same page.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92787: Dec 22nd 2018 at 3:54:42 PM

Huh. That actually didn't occurred to me.

BTW, any guidelines I should follow when sharing fanart here?

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#92788: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:06:27 PM

> BTW, any guidelines I should follow when sharing fanart here?

1)Obviously it should be tasteful,so nothing hardcore and LEWD

2)Link the original source if possible

3)Make sure it's related to Star Wars topic in question

Edited by Ultimatum on Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:26:57 AM

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92789: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:21:30 PM

You don't need to follow the third rule. It's just a guideline.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#92790: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:26:05 PM

My brain was confused and thought it was the star wars topic

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92791: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:30:58 PM

[up] You stick to that story. It was totally not because you wanted to milk an innocent troper for Star Wars fanart. tongue

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92792: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:43:14 PM

[down]Yeah, in hindsight, not my best idea for a joke.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 22nd 2018 at 9:47:00 AM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92793: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:45:23 PM

That's in bad taste for a wholly different reason than most nsfw.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92794: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:48:38 PM

Editing my post I actually make me ask: If Lorelai the asgardian and Killgrave talk at the same time, what would happen....

Edited by unknowing on Dec 22nd 2018 at 8:55:35 AM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92795: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:51:08 PM

Most likely it cancels each other out.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#92796: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:52:46 PM

Would an Asgardian even be vulnerable to Kilgrave's powers?

They seem like they'd be immune to such things.

One Strip! One Strip!
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#92797: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:53:25 PM

Thor wasn't immune to Wanda's mind whammy thing.

Edited by Forenperser on Dec 22nd 2018 at 1:53:32 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#92798: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:56:30 PM

Yeah, but that's infinity stone level shit.

Zebidiah Killgrave Kevin is just a punk from Earth.

One Strip! One Strip!
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92799: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:56:35 PM

Yeah but Killgrave's work via virus (Heavens only knows how) while Wanda works via Mind Stone shenanigans.

BTW, what even is the source of Lorelei's powers? It's been years since I watched Agents.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92800: Dec 22nd 2018 at 4:57:31 PM

But Wanda powers come from the mind stone so maybe that is why.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"

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