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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I dunno, especially since the Ninja Turtles are in DC. Then again, Marvel and DC share a continuity in HISHE. Real sad how all of Donatello's brothers died in the Snap, though.
...I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Btw, Character Development =/= Character Progression. To develop a character is to make it three-dimensional, to flesh it out, to make the audience see all its sides and what makes them tick. You don't need to make a character change in the course of a story to do all that.
Hell, there's an entire genre that has existed for millennia that relies on its protagonist not changing, it's called Tragedy, which has some of the most lauded works of Western Literature and Infinity War borrows from it pretty liberally it to build its version of Thanos.
But YMMV and all that jazz.
Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 21st 2018 at 2:26:44 PM
No, I'm serious. When I first heard that The Man-Ape was going to be in Black Panther, I was horrified. Marvel's first movie starring a black superhero will pit him against another black guy who is a hooting monkey-man. Great. Good job, Marvel. F*cking nailed it.
But then the film came out and M'Baku easily stole every scene he was in. Winston Duke's performance was great and the film made excellent use of his character without ever seeming offensive or racist about it. He even became the Ensemble Dark Horse with fans falling madly in love with him.
Somehow, against all odds, The Man-Ape wound up being one of the film's best and most beloved characters.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 21st 2018 at 4:28:36 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Hmm, I know it's easy to say it now, after the fact and all, but I was never troubled by M'Baku showing up in the film because Ryan Coogler has the last say on which characters show up, and I doubt someone as politicized as him would fuck it up on the starting line.
I mean, while I love Black Panther, thus far it hasn't showed itself to be exactly an essential part of the greater story of the MCU, which most likely means that Ryan didn't need to work around it while making the movie.
The greatest strength of the never-ending storytelling of comics (and the MCU) is that bad ideas can be redeemed later on. Just look at the Winter Soldier or the recently introduced Fem!Thor note and Ironheart .
Of course, the other side of that coin is that perfectly good ideas can be completely shat upon later, which seems to be happening more and more frequently ever since the turn of the millennium, but still, it's an undeniable plus.
And, personally, I liked both the female Thor and Ironheart when they showed up, even if I know other fans didn't.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 21st 2018 at 3:57:53 AM
Oh, the idea behind Ironheart is great, but BMB just shat all over with his shitty writing, the only kind he's capable of doing nowadays .
And I should've clarified: the Winter Soldier is the redemption of Bucky Barnes, a character so well-written he contributed more to the story being dead than being alive.
As for Fem!Thor, well at first the character or even the writing was not the problem, it's just that the way Whosit Aaron introduced her seemed to be deliberately going out of its way to slap fans of OG!Thor in the face.
Later on I calmed down, gave her a chance and was pleasantly surprised with the lass, but if the MCU ever puts her on-screen, I would very much prefer if they completely rewrite the introduction from the ground up.
But I would like to see Jane Thor in the MCU if they can do it. Seeing the interplay between cancer-stricken Jane and Thor was pretty damn awesome.

Oh that was what American Dad referenced that time Steve & Jeff played that fantasy MMO.
Edited by slimcoder on Dec 19th 2018 at 8:09:14 AM
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