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Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 12th 2018 at 6:08:57 AM
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Jeez, who programmed those things? The Trade Federation?
To be precise:
So - at least from the wording - not only can they not appear on a new show on Dsney+, but the MCU can't use them at all.
That said, two years is nothing to a Cinematic Universe, really.
Especially one that might not have plans to use them right away anyway. My theory was that they were being cancelled to make way for a New Avengers adaptation, and even if that turns out to be true we likely won't see another Avengers movie for more than two years down the line anyway.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 12th 2018 at 6:15:35 AM
The thing is, actors have contracts and they are generally less than two years, so either Marvel has to let the actors out of their contracts and risk not being able to get them back if they want them or they need to start filming a new show(s) and just say that it won't air until 2020.
Actor contracts are pretty much why AOS got a Season 7 — since Season 7 wouldn't air until 2020, they needed to lock down the contracts now and it was cheaper and easier for them to just keep filming back-to-back seasons rather than wait another year.
The same blanket reason Andrew Garfield doesn't play Spider-Man any more, or why we've got Mark Ruffalo as apposed to Edward Norton: it's, for one reason or another, more convenient for the studio.
Though more precisely, there's the issue that these incarnations of the character belong to an extent to Netflix, and so Marvel presenting those same versions again could be a legal problem even after those two years are up.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 12th 2018 at 7:13:22 AM
(And Bruce Banner was recast because Edward Norton was difficult to work with.)
But then again, why wouldn't it be easier to just go with the same actors, since they already know Charlie Cox can play Daredevil? All they have to do is keep him on contract and just not reference any of the Netflix material.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 12th 2018 at 7:24:09 AM
On the subject of Hulk, while I like Planet Hulk, I don't rate it as highly as many people do because it seems to just take Hulk and make him green Conan in space. Sure, it's awesome, but it gives me the nagging feel the character could be so much more without needing to basically turn him into a wholly different character.
For me, the best approach for a Hulk film would probably be something with Maestro. I think you could get some mileage of Future Me Scares Me Badass Grandpa Hulk and the younger Hulk having to face himself.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."Those characters being useable and the Netflix version of those characters being useable are two completely different things. Owning the rights to a character does not give you the rights to everything that character has ever been in.
The basic rundown is this: Disney owns Luke Cage, the character. Netflix, not Disney, owns the Luke Cage series produced/distributed by Netflix. In addition, Netflix has exclusive airing rights for the character of Luke Cage for the next two years such that Marvel cannot create a new series or film starring them in that time, regardless of whether it's a new version of him or not. But either way, that addition doesn't change the fact that Netflix still owns the Luke Cage series produced/distributed by Netflix.
To give another example, this is why Disney had to create a new Spider-Man show after buying Marvel, despite the existing one being produced by Sony at the time being one of the most well-regarded incarnations of the character ever made.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 12th 2018 at 8:15:52 AM
Wow. I forgot how incompetent the 90's Series Sentinels were.
Days of Future Past sure made them threatening again didn't it?
One Strip! One Strip!To give a better example: Law and Order: SVU was able to use Detective John Munch as played by Richard Belzer, despite the fact that he originated in the show Homicide: Life on the Street. They didn't need to reference Homicide, they didn't need to do anything except use the character, which they did. If you're response is "But both shows are owned by NBC," then let me also state that Detective Munch also appeared in The Wire and The X-Files and so many other shows.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 12th 2018 at 9:01:50 AM
If you cast Charlie Cox as Daredevil, people are going to expect it to be in continuity with the Netflix Daredevil, which could be awkward if they're not allowed to reference the events of the Netflix Daredevil.
Marvel still owns the character of Daredevil, and in two years they'll be able to make shows or movies with him, but (depending on how their contract with Netflix was worded) anything that was invented for the Netflix Daredevil series, rather than being lifted straight from the source material, is Netflix's property. Like, Bullseye's origin story, and Matt's big defeat of the Kingpin, play out very differently in the Netflix version than they do in the comics, so a Marvel Daredevil production wouldn't be able to reference those characters' history with Daredevil except in the vaguest of ways.
But, again, they don't need to reference anything from the show. All they can (and should) do is use the same characters and actors, because otherwise they will be wasting time and talent. (Also, while Netflix owns the show, they are certainly not going to stop Marvel from referencing them, so hell, they can reference the shows if they want. They probably won't want to, since that would advertise for Netflix, but they could.)
Edited by alliterator on Dec 12th 2018 at 9:49:53 AM
Pick one.
Edited by alliterator on Dec 12th 2018 at 10:32:51 AM
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Problem is, only maybe around 2 % of the casual movie fans watched the Netflix series. Don't think Marvel is gonna be too concerned with 'upsetting' the bunch.
Edited by Forenperser on Dec 13th 2018 at 9:33:47 PM
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...do you mean Sentry? That fight where he unleashes "the power of one million exploding suns" in the middle of New York City, to the effect of causing some property damage to the immediate buildings surrounding him? I could give or take that fight.
I could also give or take the part where Amadeus Cho uses super-math to assert that the Hulk instantaneously calculates the precise trajectory of every piece of rubble from everything he smashes in order to ensure that no bystanders are ever harmed by any of his actions.
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