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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92326: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:21:46 AM

Well, it is still acting. Bad acting, but acting.

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#92327: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:22:20 AM

Getting back on topic

I wonder if at some point in the future they'll wrestle the film rights from Universal and produce a decent Hulk movie because the concept of more then one type of 'Hulk' existing is something you see in the comics but the film themselves have never explored that avenue as they focus on the mayhem Hulk causes more then anything else

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92328: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:32:11 AM

To be honest, I don't see the point. The Hulk really works better as a supporting character.

eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#92329: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:32:55 AM

If anything in that scene bothers me, is how the hell he learned so much about the medical science to essentially set up his own practice.

I always saw it as him applying what he learned trying to cure the Hulk out of him and common knowledge, which is better than nothing. It's not like he was doing surgery or the like.

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#92330: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:35:32 AM

wild mass guessDr. Banner is, in fact, an M.D. What he's not an expert in is using gamma radiation to make adept super-soldiers with no ill effects. He got the job because Ross found out his daughter was dating a doctor and went, "Awesome! My Captain America revamp needs a science brain!"wild mass guess

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92331: Dec 12th 2018 at 7:38:42 AM

@swanpride: I disagree on that point. If anything, I think the true potential of Banner and the Hulk took really long to be unleashed because he's stuck in a supporting role.

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#92332: Dec 12th 2018 at 9:01:09 AM

I think Hulk and Banner's current dynamic doesn't work quite well to make them protagonists: I mean, this is the Savage Hulk we're talking about. A different thing would be using Joe Fixit, the Doctor or, even better, the Green Scar persona.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92333: Dec 12th 2018 at 9:22:05 AM

Also, there are a ton of characters and concepts in Hulk's mythos that the MCU just had to do without because of it.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92334: Dec 12th 2018 at 9:38:07 AM

The problem is that the first movie did a terrible job introducing the various Hulk characters. And without them, it is hard to do a good Hulk movie.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92335: Dec 12th 2018 at 9:39:17 AM

[up][up]All I want is for Nightmare Hulk to show up once.

Just once, that's all I ask, Marvel.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 12th 2018 at 2:40:07 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92336: Dec 12th 2018 at 10:16:44 AM

I would actually really love an adaptation of Immortal Hulk as a horror movie.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#92337: Dec 12th 2018 at 10:54:49 AM

Are the Namor film rights still with Universal, too?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92338: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:06:51 AM

No. The Namor rights are complicated. They are in some sort of legal limbo in that they should have fallen back to Marvel by now, but there are other claimants involved - it's very vague. There have been rumours that the Disney lawyers have managed to sort the mess out, but those have only be rumours so far.

It would be fun if they would manage to plug Namor into one of the movies without the audience finding it out beforehand.

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#92339: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:08:01 AM

I just want She Hulk or Squirrel girl

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92340: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:10:46 AM

The problem is that the first movie did a terrible job introducing the various Hulk characters. And without them, it is hard to do a good Hulk movie.

One movie can't introduce everything (hence the idea of there needing to be more), especially in the early days of the MCU when they were still getting the hang of making a universe.

And even so, the movie sets up The Leader, a character who likely would have had a much bigger impact on the MCU should the movies have been allowed to use him. And gamma radiation in general, which leads to a whole cavalcade of elements in the comics but which by necessity was ultimately reduced to a simple nod in the first Avengers movie.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Dec 12th 2018 at 11:11:36 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92341: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:21:16 AM

Frankly, the character which was most in my mind is Rick Jones. The character is important because for one, you need someone to off-set Bruce's constant moping and two, you need someone to worry about while he is the Hulk. Betty Ross could have covered this narrative purpose, but they kind of botched her and now it is too late to bring her back for a bigger role. I hope she is happy with her psychiatrist boy friend.

Maybe if they introduce Amadeus Cho down the line they can do a movie about him teaming up with the Hulk.

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#92342: Dec 12th 2018 at 11:45:54 AM

Betty's boyfriend was another missed opportunity, as he was supposed to be Doc Samson. From his appearances in the cartoons, he was an interesting character. He had super-strength close to the Hulk, but he focused more on his scientific pursuits and wasn't an active superhero. Don't know if he was different in the comics, but he could've been an interesting character to explore further.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#92343: Dec 12th 2018 at 12:40:10 PM

Sad thing about Planet Hulk, it’s one of the greatest Hulk stories ever with a memorable supporting cast & events but must of it had to be written out or changed when Ragnarok adapted it.

It’s a damn tragedy Hulk had to be made the side-character in what was originally his own story, one of his most iconic ones at that.

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#92344: Dec 12th 2018 at 1:21:47 PM

The of hulk being better a suportng chararter is nonsense: People said the same about Thor until Ragnarok because he was always under somone else thumb: Odin, Loki, etc, hell for a while Thor was pretty much "Dumb, Funny and Hot", perfect for a Sitcom, pretty bad for a protagonist.

(Funny thing is, the only moment he got before Ragnarok and Ifinity war a good moment was in Avenger with Loki).

If anything, Hulk was REALLY intersting in Ragnarok(maybe because it adapt Planet hulk), it was intersting in general.

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#92345: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:33:40 PM

How good or accurate is the Planet Hulk animated movie compared to the comic and Ragnarok? I loved it, personally.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#92346: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:39:51 PM

Edit: Wait you meant the animated movie? Oh damn well I think it was generally accurate to the comic though stuff had to be cut out to fit in an animated movie.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 12th 2018 at 4:46:53 AM

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#92347: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:43:33 PM

It’s pretty accurate to the first half of the comic, minus the substitution of Beta Ray Bill for the Silver Surfer. The latter half differs a significant amount; many of the supporting character subplots had to be dropped, the Big Bad dies in a different manner, and the arc about the Spikes turning out to be sympathetic is cut entirely. It also ends before the Diabolus ex Machina in the comic that set up World War Hulk, leaving the film with a happy ending.

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#92348: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:47:45 PM

If I could erase those crappy Hulk films by universal I would do it in a heartbeat,first impressions are everything and their films convinced people that the only thing Hulk did was destroy stuff and that's frankly a dull premise "This is Bruce Banner,he turns into the Hulk who destroys things,the end" that's roughly how people who've seen the films would some up the Hulk

People familiar with the comics might go "This Bruce Banner,his tortured mind houses different personalities which take the form of different Hulks"

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#92349: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:48:04 PM

[up][up] That last part in particular is for the best. Planet Hulk is pretty much the best possible conclusion to the story of the Hulk. He finds a place that accepts and reveres him, where there's no shortage of cool shit to do, and where he has friends and a family that love him.

Slap a "The End" on that and you're golden.

This is one of many stories where it is the detriment of the story that comics are a perpetual medium.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 12th 2018 at 5:48:23 AM

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#92350: Dec 12th 2018 at 4:55:06 PM

I could agree with you if "Sentinel vs Hulk" wasn't one of the most awesome thing ever put to paper.


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