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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92026: Dec 8th 2018 at 1:17:37 PM

There are places where a writers can try to diversify a bit and write something outside of his confort zone, but a multi-million dollar production was very much not the place.

So while I respect his effort to try and do something different ('cause Heaven knows all of his works are basically reskins of one another at this point), I have none for the (lack of) wisdom behind it.

[up][up]Nah, pretty sure I'm an outlier. I just feel the catchphrase would work back when Avengers was purely an action comedy, but the Russos have very successfully turned it into rather heavy drama, and putting it feels counterproductive.

But who knows, maybe they'll prove me wrong. They certainly did enough to earn my faith at this point.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#92027: Dec 8th 2018 at 1:24:18 PM

The first Spider-Man: Far from Home details were revealed and it sounds not like what people were expecting.

It sounds like at least initially, Mysterio is recruited by Nick Fury and is Spider-Man's ally, and they're fighting a group of elemental creatures. Tom Holland says the relationship between Spider-Man and Mysterio is a really important part of the movie.

Here's the convention panel with Tom Holland and Jake Gyllenhaal.

And here's Spider-Man's stealth suit.

Edited by comicwriter on Dec 8th 2018 at 1:26:10 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92028: Dec 8th 2018 at 1:36:43 PM

What is the deal with Mysterio from the comics, anyway? 'Cause I only remember him from the Guardian Devil storyline. (Which is pretty good, but severely overhyped)

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 8th 2018 at 6:37:32 AM

rmctagg09 The Wanderer from Brooklyn, NY (Before Recorded History) Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
The Wanderer
#92029: Dec 8th 2018 at 1:44:04 PM

Surprisingly there's not that many mashups of this.

Hugging a Vanillite will give you frostbite.
chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#92030: Dec 8th 2018 at 1:48:45 PM

Mysterio was a former special effects artist and stuntman who basically decided that he could use his skills from the film industry to pursue a life of crime. He's basically an old fashioned magician who uses holograms, robots, hypnotism, and misdirection to pull a fast one over Spidey.

Some versions like the 90's animated series gave him an excuse to hate Spider-Man, like that he stopped him after one his stunts nearly took the lives of several people. It could be interesting if the film went with the idea that he was a practical stuntman who couldn't find work after most Hollywood films went digital. But yeah, Mysterio flip-flops from being a complete joke, to a vicious sociopath depending on the writer.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#92031: Dec 8th 2018 at 2:33:18 PM

That Captain Marvel poster looks like something you would've seen on the shelf at Blockbuster, in a good way.

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#92032: Dec 8th 2018 at 2:54:32 PM

comicwriter@ i don't know how to feel about this.

Edited by Drakon69 on Dec 8th 2018 at 12:55:57 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92033: Dec 8th 2018 at 3:12:52 PM

Elemental creatures sounds like the kind of thing Mysterio could be setting up the whole time.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#92034: Dec 8th 2018 at 3:32:50 PM

Oh yeah Mysterio is totally going to betray Peter. Not even a question. The real question will be if he was planning to betray him from the beginning or if it's the result of something that happens in the movie.

This song needs more love.
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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92036: Dec 8th 2018 at 5:55:49 PM

Random Thought Time: Spider-Man Noir animated adaptation by the guys who made Castlevania (2017). What do you guys think?

If nothing else, the character already has some level of exposure thanks to the recent Into The Spiderverse (Which I haven't watched yet), so it has a higher chance to exist if he makes enough social media buzz, which is what led Netflix to make a (horrible) Punisher solo series, and I doubt the Disney streaming platform will work any differently.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92037: Dec 8th 2018 at 6:18:45 PM

Horrible? The Punisher show was great!

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92038: Dec 8th 2018 at 6:54:23 PM

I could debate that point, but I won't, all my rage has already been used up and now all that is left is the cold void of despair that comes with the realization we'll never get a Mama Gnucci or Barracuda on the screen, and shall merely drown in the mediocre cliche that'll be Micro having his family kidnapped by Jigsaw and him having no choice but having to rely on Frank and yadda yadda yadda.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92039: Dec 8th 2018 at 6:55:42 PM

That does sound a lot like debating the point.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92040: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:00:26 PM

Not really, I'm not debating, I'm mourning.

KusaMigeru Interesting Person #928 from Kanda Island Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Interesting Person #928
#92041: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:04:09 PM

Heard good things about Into The Spiderverse. A friend of mine watched a pre-release for the press and well, he said he had forgiven all terrible stuff that was done with Spider-Man on the cinema. [lol]

... And that's called jazz!
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92042: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:06:22 PM

That's why I'm happy for Spidey-Noir being in that movie, he was the best thing to come out of the Noir line.

Now, if only we could convince Feige to give Miguel O'Hara a chance...

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92043: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:19:15 PM

About the line....no, half of the avenger are missing and the spirit was broken after the whole Civil war tantrum, saying now feel...cheap.

And about AOU....no, it is really a bad movie, not only is confusing and prentious it prettm much solidifies of what many consider Marvel usual cliches: not taken itself seriously, bad villian, use of Snarky humor and breaking the mood, etc.

In fac you can see the wheedon view of marvel and the russo kinda REALLY clash at times.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#92044: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:32:15 PM

Yeah, the bulk of phase 2 seemed kinda meh compared to 1 and 3.

Just Makima.
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#92045: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:33:06 PM

I could get behind Mysterio betraying Peter later on as a better version of whatever the hell Mordo's arc from Doctor Strange was supposed to be.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92046: Dec 8th 2018 at 7:50:44 PM

[up][up]And the personality changes between movies are kind of staggering, Tony and Cap for example are really diferent between avengers and russo movies, Cap is a bordeline diferenr chararter.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#92047: Dec 8th 2018 at 8:00:11 PM

Someone is definitely gonna say Avengers Assemble. Probably at a key moment.

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#92048: Dec 8th 2018 at 8:10:49 PM

Anyone else wondering why Peter's Stealth Suit has the fingertips exposed? Maybe it's just me, but I'd think leaving fingerprints behind is kind of counterproductive to the whole "stealth" thing...

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#92049: Dec 8th 2018 at 8:13:23 PM

Fury scalds Peter's finger tips with boiling water before giving him the suit. It's standard SHIELD initiation.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92050: Dec 8th 2018 at 8:34:17 PM

Tony and Cap for example are really diferent between avengers and russo movies
Not really — they are all pretty much the same characters, just with the benefit of more time.

For example: all of the issues that Tony deals with in Civil War first arose in Age of Ultron — from his obsessive need to protect everybody to his insistence that his way is right. And Steve's issues are apparent in both AOU and CW, too — AOU, really, is the first film to tackle the fact that Steve apparently doesn't know who he is without a war. The scene in the farm where Tony's chopping wood is essentially just a preview for Civil War.


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