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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91726: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:13:55 AM

Well that trailer was a-ok. But nothing TOO special. Still looking forward to it.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91727: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:14:19 AM

Naturally there is something like objectivity in film criticism. There is also a subjective element to it, but if it were 100% subjective, it wouldn't matter what you put on screen, there would be an audience for everything. It is frankly disrespectful towards the creators to act as if there isn't a certain level of skill needed to create a great movie.

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I'm Sad Frogerson.
#91728: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:31:28 AM

Y'know, people are making half-joking theories that the cat is a Skrull, but the Skrulls do have the ability to change into animals in the comics. In fact, in their first appearance, Reed Richards was able to stop an invasion by hypnotizing the Skrulls into turning them into cows. Yes, this did go the way you think it does...

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91729: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:32:14 AM

I don't understand why you're getting on my case so hard about not liking Doctor Strange. It was pretty clear from my original post that all those film evaluations were meant to be my personal opinion on the franchises including Captain Marvel. Your assumption that I meant it was objectively bad was all your own.

But I apparently possess the rare ability to accept movies organically without insisting they live up to arbitrary standards established by others.

And this backhanded dig felt really unnecessary as well, considering I went into Doctor Strange optimistic and hoping some of the negative opinions towards it were just being unfair and overly focused on the racial aspects.

Edited by AlleyOop on Dec 4th 2018 at 9:35:13 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#91730: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:37:55 AM

I can't wait till the skrulls do actually start appearing,you could have an entire film about a supposed secret skurll invasion and then at the end it's revealed to be all paranoia and then the move goers are left wondering what the hell is a skrull?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91731: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:53:05 AM

Okay so I've been seeing complaints that Larson's acting and voice delivery in the trailer is lets say flat, stilted, emotionless, etc along those lines.

How do you all find the performance she's giving as of the trailer?

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91732: Dec 4th 2018 at 6:58:11 AM

It's a trailer. You can't really judge her performance based on that because there is barely any dialogue in it in the first place. There is just voice over.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#91733: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:00:01 AM

If she's in the trailer it does count as a performance,voiceover or not.

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Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#91734: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:06:28 AM

It's all her performance from when she's a Kree soldier, brainwashed by having lightning fired into her brain. She should sound a little restrained, a little uncanny. I would like to hear a little more of her pre- and post-programming character, but I assume there are twist-based reasons why they're keeping that part of the movie under wraps.

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#91736: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:12:49 AM

Yeah she's pretty clearly still brainwashed to a degree. I don't know why that's going past some people and you can see from her actions in the flashbacks that she was less serious.

Edited by LordVatek on Dec 4th 2018 at 10:13:39 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#91737: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:13:52 AM

I thought her delivery in the "do you know how to fly this thing" scene was good.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91738: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:17:40 AM

[up][up] People act like dumbasses what can I say.

Plus let’s be real here, we are gonna be seeing a lot of dumbassery over her. People are gonna be way harder on her than they usually are for obvious reasons.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 4th 2018 at 7:18:30 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91739: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:18:51 AM

Yes, it's a performance, but I think it is extremely difficult to judge it on a few trailer snippets. There is nothing wrong with what I see. But most of it is simply her looking cool or being shot cool. I need at least a complete scene to make a judgement.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#91740: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:19:29 AM

[up][up][up]I liked that part as well. That moment where she doesn't quite know, then kind of holding back a smile when she realizes she does. The programming starting to break.

Edited by Unsung on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:19:38 AM

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#91741: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:23:20 AM

I have all the hype for this movie.

I also appreciate that it's finally filling in a longstanding bit of a plot hole. Like, we sort of have Ant-Man and Captain America to fill the question of WTF Fury was talking about with his, "Do you think you're the only superhero?" speech to Iron Man.

But in a world that hasn't yet met Thor or been invaded by aliens or any of the wacky superhero stuff, it's a bit awkward that Fury was so passionate about the idea, "Nonono you don't understand, we NEED a team of god-punching super-beings to defend us. This has to be a thing. I will accept nothing less than an army of Hulks!"

Like. The world hadn't met Thor yet so what the hell were the Avengers supposed to fight? North Korea? That's been a bit of Early-Installment Weirdness for a long time, ever since the franchise decided that Iron Man suiting up heralded the birth of the superhero age.

Captain Marvel's poised to answer that question and be like, "No, there've been aliens here before. They've just never been here publicly like they were during the Battle of New York. Fury's actually seen his share of Thors."

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 4th 2018 at 8:23:43 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91742: Dec 4th 2018 at 7:34:53 AM

Well, Ao S suggested that Shield knew more than standard people about this kind of stuff. But for the movies alone, yeah, this is actually filling an important blank. I mean, we KNOW that there were other Superheroes around before Ironman - Cap, Ant-man and the Hulk were all active before him - but it is a good thing to add a threat level to it.

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#91743: Dec 4th 2018 at 8:00:08 AM

So is Fury so paranoid because he’s spent the last 20+ years wondering who’s a shapeshifting alien.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91744: Dec 4th 2018 at 8:24:18 AM

Well he did say he wasn’t very trusting of people in Winter Soldier.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#91745: Dec 4th 2018 at 8:26:23 AM

[up]x4 Yeah, my working assumption has been that there's always been weird stuff happening on the down low in the MCU that SHIELD has tried to contain with varying degrees of success.

But Captain Marvel just takes the concept to a whole new level. It looks like the climactic battle takes place in orbitnote , so that at least explains how the general public didn't notice the aburdly powerful superhero annihilating.

The only thing that might leak out is some rumors of a bizzare incident on a bus involving a woman in a strange outfit and a really hardhore grandma. But with no footage of the incident (this was an era before cell phone cameras after all), all they would be is rumors.

Edited by Falrinn on Dec 4th 2018 at 11:27:05 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91746: Dec 4th 2018 at 9:04:09 AM

I didn't find anything particularly unusual about her delivery, but then again I didn't go into it looking for anything to criticize. I'm sensitive to poor line reads so if it was that bad I would've noticed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91747: Dec 4th 2018 at 9:12:22 AM

Frankly, the Anti SJW crowd is really annoying. They are desparate for this movie to fail.

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#91748: Dec 4th 2018 at 9:15:36 AM

I wouldn’t say that her acting’s BAD, so much that it doesn’t quite fit my image of Carol, who generally sounds a bit more...butch, I think? At least in my head.

But as stated above, this isn’t properly Carol - hell, it looks like she isn’t even using that name. So maybe she’ll sound more to my liking in flashbacks and at the end of the movie.

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Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#91749: Dec 4th 2018 at 9:28:03 AM

I have seen WAY more complaints being directed to her and the movie doe to fear more than anything.

Oh she'is a SJW, oh this movie is feminist propaganda, oh the mcu is doomed.

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Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#91750: Dec 4th 2018 at 9:29:25 AM

>thinking the MCU is doomed because Marvel finally made a film with a female protagonist

lmao I guess they didn't learn anything from Black Panther.


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