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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91651: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:25:00 AM

Ultron: My uncompromisable moral is peace on Earth by any means necessary.
That's not a moral, that's a goal. Your morality is how you view people's actions and intentions. Having morals is like having a set of rules about how to act in order to be a good person. If you don't want to be a good person, you are immoral; if you have no rules, you are amoral.

Morality can be flexible, but there are some things that are inflexible. Murder, for instance — sure, you can kill in self defense, but you would never murder someone just because, would you? Because that would be against your morals.

Ultron didn't care about being "good"; generally, if someone says "by any means necessary," they are being amoral.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:31:01 AM

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#91652: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:34:47 AM

Deadline reporting that a Shang-Chi movie is happening[1]

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91653: Dec 3rd 2018 at 9:54:30 AM

Interesting. I guess they want to diversify the movies they have coming out. Shang-Chi isn't exactly a well known hero, but if they can bring back the Guardians of the Galaxy, they can certainly bring back Shang-Chi.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#91654: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:06:41 AM

Don't know that much about Shang-Chi, but I know he was originally the son of Fu Manchu before copyright got in the way. Do you think Marvel Studios will go the extra mile and try to bring that part of his backstory back, or will they just keep it a wink-wink-nudge-nudge deal like the comics do nowadays?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91655: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:10:56 AM

I really don't think that Disney wants to use one of the original Yellow Peril villains. In any case, Shang-Chi's connection to Fu Manchu has been downplayed ever since Marvel lost the rights; I believe at the moment, his father is called "Zheng Zhu" and is an exile from K'un-L'un.

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#91656: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:47:31 AM

I'm just flashing back on the discussions we used to have when they first announced Iron Fist. On the topic of why they should give a show to Mighty Whitey Iron Fist instead of legitimate Chinese martial artist Shang-Chi, an argument commonly thrown around is that Shang-Chi is fundamentally unadaptable because of his connection to Fu Manchu.

It had to be Iron Fist, defenders said, because Marvel just can't use Shang-Chi in the MCU.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:48:32 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91657: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:55:08 AM

Well at least he'll be better exposed than Danny. That should make people happy.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91658: Dec 3rd 2018 at 10:57:15 AM

??? I really can't remember that argument to be made. The reason why it had to be Iron Fist was because he is the one half of Powerman and Ironfist. Once you decide to introduce Jessica Jones, it is logical to also introduce Luke Cage which makes it logical to introduce Iron Fist.

Anyway, isn't Shang-Chi some sort of secret agent?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91659: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:01:15 AM

Assume Tobias is talking about people who don't browse TV Tropes.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91660: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:02:05 AM

[up][up] He was a member of the Secret Avengers. Which, you know, I really hope they make into a movie — I would love have a low key Avengers mission where the world wasn't at stake, but it all just spy stuff.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:02:11 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91661: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:36:49 AM

I've always thought the best way to do it would be to make his father the "real Mandarin" from Hail to the King.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#91662: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:39:12 AM

"It’s the “never compromise” speech reworded. As many of us I’m sure have learned the hard way, life can’t function with everyone as a zealot. "

So Moore was wrong, Cap is not The comedian, he is roshnarch....well, that is unexpected

": I said Superman is a moral paragon of pure rightness, not Clark Kent."

......Ok, you lost me here, what?

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BigBlackBangBro Time Stranger Since: Sep, 2016
Time Stranger
#91663: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:43:58 AM

Most admit I'm surprised Shang-Chi is getting a movie. He seems like they would've been on Netflix or the new Disney streaming service. Guess Feige and company had bigger plans. I big budget Kung fu movie should be interesting. Hope it has good fight scene

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#91664: Dec 3rd 2018 at 11:47:08 AM

Ooh, martial arts flick sounds nice.

I always felt there was room for both Shang Chi and Iron Fist in the MCU, whether they were movies or shows.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91665: Dec 3rd 2018 at 12:31:04 PM

Yeah and I think it is a good compromise. Would have sucked had they rebooted Iron Fist.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91666: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:06:17 PM

As long as they bring in good, varied, & just plain over the top martial arts.

I’ve been getting really into martial arts because I’ve been reading martial arts Kengan Ashura every day cause it’s updates daily.

That series has a serial killer judoka, a nak muay who’s also a championship boxer, an old karate master who can stab you with his fingers, a Burmese man with a hard as steel skeleton, a tiny young grappler, & a mercenary from the Congo who’s all about practical attacks.

I expect good variety from Shang.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:34:24 AM

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FictionAddiction Lurker turned Troper from My Home, duh Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Singularity
Lurker turned Troper
#91667: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:27:20 PM

[up] Kengan Ashura is hardly a good example for "accurate" portrayal of martial arts, it certainly is good (just not my cup of tea).

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91668: Dec 3rd 2018 at 1:33:52 PM

[up] I didn't mean that one in particular was accurate, just that its really fun cause of how insanely over the top it is.

Its like Baki but with a more attractive art-style that doesn't make you wanna throw up.

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91669: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:23:20 PM

Wonder if it's going to be campier and old-school such as the old Bruce Lee films or if they're going to go for the grittier kind espoused by films like The Raid and the Captain America films.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#91671: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:38:33 PM

Man, this sucks.

I hate to say it but I really hope the shows just pick up where they left off on Disney +. It would be a greedy dick move on Disney's part, but it's better than the shows just disappearing into the ether never to be resolved, or getting rebooted and losing all the progress they made.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91672: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:48:11 PM

Why would this be a greedy dick move? As far as i can tell, Netflix could have continued the shows if they had wanted to. But they didn't-

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#91673: Dec 3rd 2018 at 2:53:25 PM

I don't know. I don't think we have enough details to suggest who was pulling the plug here. Based on the reports about how Luke Cage went down, the fact that Disney is starting their own streaming service to compete with Netflix, and the fact that they do not want to use any of the Netflix shows on their app, I feel like the evidence thus far suggests Disney is the one to pull the plug here.

Netflix can't go ahead if Disney is unwilling to sign off.

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#91674: Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:22:11 PM

With Marvel producing the show and Netflix distributing, the way I understand it is this:

  • Netflix cannot continue to release new seasons of the show unless Marvel is willing to produce them.
  • Marvel cannot release the show on their own streaming service without paying Netflix to license the distribution rights back from them.

So in order for the shows to continue to exist, either Marvel has to pay Netflix to borrow the shows from them, or Marvel has to directly compete with themselves by producing shows for a rival streaming service. Neither of these things are ever going to happen.

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InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#91675: Dec 3rd 2018 at 3:27:03 PM

Correct. So, Both teams need to cooperate. And since Disney's whole move with their streaming app is 'ALL THE DISNEY STUFF IN ONE PLACE' (minus anything more mature) and they don't want to compete with themselves, meanwhile Netflix seemingly had Season 3 of Iron Fist and Luke Cage and Season 4 of Daredevil sketched out, it seems like Netflix was trying to actually make it happen and the ball was more in Disney's court.


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