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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#91601: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:04:29 PM

It's also not Steve's final decision if Wanda kills Vision, that's Wanda's decision. She was the one telling him no, to hold on a bit longer and find another way. Cap just agreed with her. If she made the decision to kill Vision, Steve wouldn't have stood in her way, since y'know, he didn't when it actually happened in the movie.

By the end, Steve was the one fighting the hardest to keep Thanos away from Vision and let Wanda kill him to destroy the Mind Stone. It's not that Steve made an executive decision that he stuck to until it failed. It's that Steve agreed with the decision someone else made and then they both changed their minds once things went pear-shaped.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91602: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:06:56 PM

Yeah, I'm not surprised this ended up about Stave again, but I feel like that [up] should be remembered before trying to slam his character here.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91603: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:08:00 PM

Age of Ultron wasn't "Save everyone or nobody." Cap was perfectly willing to shoot down Sokovia, but not until he made sure he saved as many as he could. There's even a moment where he believes they need to shoot Sokovia down and is fully prepared to stay and die himself ( a la Winter Soldier)...when SHIELD shows up.

Infinity War is similar: Cap isn't someone who thinks they can save everybody, but he's someone who try his hardest to save as many as he can, no matter what. Hell, did you see him arguing with Wanda when she was finally killing Vision? No, because he knew it was the only thing to do at the time.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:08:57 AM

InkDagger Since: Jul, 2014
#91604: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:08:59 PM

Hang on, its not as though he doesn't have a plan at all. Shuri was reasonably sure she could get the Mind Stone off Vision fine without killing him as long as they gave her time. He tried. They failed. The result would have been the same anyway even if they had killed Vision at the word go ANYWAY as we see in the ending. The game, or trolly in this case, was rigged from the start.

And I fully stand by Captain's question of "Why can't I save everyone?" with the follow up of "Why can't I at least try to save everyone?"

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#91605: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:13:02 PM

Honestly, the only thing wrong with the plan to surgically remove the Mind Stone from Vision was that Corvus Glaive interrupted the procedure. There was no indication that it wouldn't have worked, given just a bit more time.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91606: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:14:34 PM

True. Narratively, I dislike blaming characters for a lack of hindsight or lacking precognition.

ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#91607: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:14:55 PM

Official Captain Marvel poster[1]

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#91608: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:16:38 PM

I wonder if someone will edit her mouth into a creepy smile, just like they did to the other MCU posters to make fun of complaints that she's not smiling enough.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#91609: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:23:38 PM

Yeah that looks awesome.

Self-serious autistic trans gal who loves rock/metal and animation with all her heart. (she/her)
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#91610: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:24:25 PM

I do think Tobias is being unfair with Steve. He is presented with the idea that killing Vision right now could solve the situation and he decided to at least try to save him before calling it quits and just murdering him (particularly given, as pointed out, Wanda's the only one who can and she's not too on-board with the idea). If we're sticking to the (questionable) trolley problem comparison it's like being presented with it and then instantly deciding to let the one person die than at least vaguely considering there might be another option out. If you're presented with a choice of evils it's human nature to try to find a way out.

When it comes to the central theme of "sacrificing others for the greater good", the film ultimately has a double-edged thematic about it. Thanos's willingness to sacrifice others for his greater good means he wins, but the very last dialogues of the film ("Did you do it?" "Yes." "What did it cost?" "...Everything." and Strange's "We're in the endgame now.") reminds the audience that Thanos's sacrifices may render all his greater good null and void, so it's not as clear-cut as it may seem at first. The film then ends with the question open-ended, because there is no aftermath shown of his deeds, but the last two dialogues and the fact we see all these heroic people who saved the universe single-handedly a few dozen times bring the weight of what Thanos has done to the audience. The sequel will probably respond those thematic questions one way or another.

Ultimately what we're doing here is like judging the thematic weight of the first Lord of the Rings without having read Two Towers and Return of the King. It's a incomplete story, deliberately so, and left open-ended.

Edited by Gaon on Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:25:42 AM

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91611: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:28:18 PM

Ooooh I like those glowly lights. [tup]

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#91612: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:35:06 PM

Thanos's solution to the trolley problem: nuke San Francisco.

That's a pretty good costume.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#91613: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:44:17 PM

Thanos's solution to the trolley problem is to have the train run over his own daughter while saying "I'm sorry little one."

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#91614: Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:55:09 PM

"I warned them, you know, not to build so many of those damn trolleys."

[cut to Handsome Rob's avatar wearing Galactus' hat]

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#91615: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:05:26 PM

...

Whelp! You heard the man. I'm Galactus now.

Quench my hunger. Steaks and Sugar Cookies!

So says Rob!

One Strip! One Strip!
eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#91616: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:08:12 PM

[up][up] If Handsome Rob doesn't change his avatar to one welding Galactus helmet I will be very disappointed.

Edit: awwwww sad

Edited by eligram on Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:08:45 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#91617: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:21:10 PM

...Does it specifically have to be my current avatar with a Galactus helmet, or can it just be Galactus?

Cause the former is probably gonna be hard to find. Still, I'll give it a shot.

One Strip! One Strip!
Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91618: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:23:35 PM

I just once again want to add that murdering your friend/lover is a fucking hard decision, even when the universe is at stake, and I'd wager that most people in this forum would want to at least try a method that would allow them to live if they thought there was a really good chance it would work. Think some of yall are being pretty hard on Steve and Wanda.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91619: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:28:40 PM

You might even say that they hardest tasks require the strongest wills.

Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91620: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:40:30 PM

I legitimately love how meme-able so much of Thanos' dialogue is. Like, it's epic and chilling in the movie, but take it out and apply it to something mundane like grocery shopping and it becomes hilarious.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#91621: Dec 2nd 2018 at 6:58:09 PM

  • Gasp* A poster without the entire cast on it?!

Just Makima.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#91622: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:03:26 PM

It's a similar reason Gandalf dialogue is so memetic. So much of it is extremely dramatic, poetic or epic. Thanos constantly speaks like he's delivering a speech or quoting ancient philosophers. It borders on comical when several characters quip in his general direction and he responds with a Shakesperean soliloquy.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91623: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:04:37 PM

I think it looks really good. Maybe a bit heavy on the effects, but it's definitely better than the Black Panther stand alone poster, where T'challa looked almost cartoonishly fake (except for his head, which made it a little creepy).

Edited by Zanthype on Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:05:04 AM

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91624: Dec 2nd 2018 at 7:29:55 PM

Thanos constantly speaks like he's delivering a speech or quoting ancient philosophers.
This extends to his "children," too, like Ebony Maw. Maw also delivers one of the few bits of dialogue taken exactly from the comic: "My humble personage bows before your grandeur."

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91625: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:22:33 PM

I think the poster could use a bit more 90s flair, but it's otherwise solid and not too cluttered. The red-blue contrast is a nice twist on the usual orange-cyan.


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