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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#91476: Dec 1st 2018 at 5:04:00 PM

The Disney logo is rubbish. The logo spells the damn company's name as "Gisnep" for some reason.

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#91477: Dec 1st 2018 at 9:09:25 PM

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ComicFan Since: Sep, 2016
#91478: Dec 1st 2018 at 10:40:31 PM

Black Panther received 7 nominations from the WAFCA[1]

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91479: Dec 1st 2018 at 11:56:02 PM

And Infinity War got one...I guess they will win in this category.

BigK1337 Since: Jun, 2012
#91480: Dec 2nd 2018 at 2:21:33 AM

Now I know how dumb its is to complain about choices for nominations (and their results) in an award shows, as well as the sheer immaturity in imposing an opinion as an objective fact toward what is essentially a subjective bias; but c’mon! Infinity War only gets one nomination for Best C Gi Performer (which seems like a throwawy vote given the competition).

I mean some of the categories BP is nominated for IW could easily fit in those position.

Best Ensamble Cast? Seriously have we all forgotten the meme of how the movie is the biggest crossover (only for something else to prove it wrong). The cast for that film was the All Star Cast of All Star Casts.

Best Production? Definitely. The looks amd feel of the movie is impressive and definitely captures the other worldly feel of the comics its inspired from. Its a good tie in with the Best CGI Performer category.

Best Adapted Screenplay? Its a really great film that adapts Thanos Quest, the first issue of Infinity Gauntlet (namely the ending), uses the Black Order from Infinity, and in some ways took a lot of inspirations from early Jim Starlin Thanos stories.

This feels like a snub to me.

Edited by BigK1337 on Dec 2nd 2018 at 5:26:23 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91481: Dec 2nd 2018 at 3:13:21 AM

Yeah, I thought the same thing.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#91482: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:05:09 AM

I thought Black Panther was a better film than Infinity War, so I’m not fussed.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91483: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:17:17 AM

[up] We are talking about nominations, not about which one wins in any given category.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#91484: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:24:36 AM

Yeah? I’m saying I don’t think Infinity War got snubbed by not being nominated.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91485: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:31:39 AM

The screenplay is pretty impressive, though. Unlike the one of Black Panther, btw. That movie is kind of a mess narratively.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#91486: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:43:56 AM

....I believe we’ve had this discussion before. I think Black Panther has a far more cohesive and tightly written narrative than Infinity War.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#91487: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:43:56 AM

[up] Plus, Infinity War has that whole thing about half the cast, you know, turning into dust. At least when the BP movie killed people, they were bad from the start.

(Actually, should we keep spoiler blocking that part? Feels like mostly everyone knows how it ends by now...)

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 2nd 2018 at 12:46:03 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91488: Dec 2nd 2018 at 9:54:58 AM

Did we? Can't remember...but in any case, the biggest flaw of Black Panther is the way the story is structured.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#91489: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:01:40 AM

Yeah, we did, I think. The story is structured clearly both chronologically and thematically, and the editing is tight.

Edited by wisewillow on Dec 2nd 2018 at 1:01:50 PM

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
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#91490: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:09:32 AM

Yeah, put me on the "BP > IW" train too. I think it just does more with its smaller amount of characters. That and its lows are nowhere near as bad to me than a...certain scene from IW that I'm still rather bitter about.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91491: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:11:30 AM

Well, I disagree. I think that the story could and should have been more streamlined, and that it is overall very oddly paced.

[up] That's not the question here. The question is if specifically the screenplay is better or not.

Edited by Swanpride on Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:12:22 AM

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#91492: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:15:22 AM

Infinity War’s structure is efficient but underwritten. It has a lot of plotlines cautiously kept from becoming too bloated, but the consequence is basically all of them have no second act or no third act. Additionally, several of them are just repeats of each other, and the repetitiveness gets very distractingly noticeable by the end.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:16:02 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91493: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:17:01 AM

Black Panther had the superior screenplay.

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#91494: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:18:15 AM

Definitely think IW has the better special effects, though.

Look at Thanos. They gave his skin pores, darker spots, bumps, everything.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Dec 2nd 2018 at 1:18:43 PM

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#91495: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:29:00 AM

At no point in Black Panther did they feel it necessary to stuff anyone in a fridge.

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#91496: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:30:36 AM

Infinity War felt very much like the first half of a movie. Which, yeah, was intentional, but I feel like that'd detract from it having the best screenplay? Or something, I dunno.

I personally enjoyed Black Panther more, though I did enjoy Infinity War quite a bit.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91497: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:32:05 AM

I think you are really underestimating how clever the structure of Infinity war is. Just the way it portrayed the fight against Thanos. We follow three different groups of characters, and each of them are fighting Thanos in a different way and in such different coded settings that it never gets boring and the audience knows at first glance with which group they are.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#91498: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:35:53 AM

Black Panther also had a multi-tiered fight. So did Guardians 2. And Guardians 1. And Avengers 1. And Ant-Man and The Wasp. And pre-MCU films like Lord of the Rings. It’s not that new.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:36:25 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91499: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:44:31 AM

[up][up] While you are right that it's structured in an interesting way, it still doesn't take away from the flaws in the film. Like everyone else is saying, it's basically half a film and often feels overstuffed, sometimes to the point of being detrimental to character development. It also requires you to have basic knowledge of who all these characters are, something that Black Panther doesn't.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91500: Dec 2nd 2018 at 10:53:23 AM

[up] That is not really a flaw in the screenplay, though. The very goal of the movie is to pull together storylines which have sprawled over multiple movies, and it does it surprisingly well. That is a huge challenge which I think should get honoured.


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