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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91451: Nov 30th 2018 at 1:16:51 PM

[up][up]I thought the dinosaur and the effects on Karolina's powers were great.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#91452: Nov 30th 2018 at 1:17:28 PM

Sleeping on Bushmaster yeah?

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MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#91453: Nov 30th 2018 at 2:26:40 PM

Bushmaster was great too but Black Mariah owned that season. Alfred Woodward should consider submitting for the Emmys and other TV award shows

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#91454: Nov 30th 2018 at 3:04:33 PM

Which makes sense, considering that Bushmaster was ultimately not the final boss. As the season went on, it became clearer and clearer that while Bushmaster's methods were wrong, his grudge against Mariah was absolutely justified, and once he got what he wanted (Mariah dead), he left without putting up a fight.

The season did a good job of setting up that our heroes had to choose between Mariah and Bushmaster, and while they initially thought that Bushmaster was the greater threat because of his superpowers, in the end Mariah was the true main villain who needed to be taken down. Her descent into evil over the course of both seasons was masterfully executed.

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#91455: Nov 30th 2018 at 3:27:03 PM

Of all the cancellations (both past and impending), Luke's is definitely the one I lament the most.

LC3 had a lot of potential to be really interesting in a way that's very rare to see in television. Luke was poised to take a stab at Angel, Season Five; a complex dynamic that's almost unheard of, putting the hero into a position of great but wicked power and letting him try and find a way to wield it without becoming the villain himself.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 30th 2018 at 4:28:29 AM

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Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91456: Nov 30th 2018 at 9:39:08 PM

I've been reading through the official Marvel profiles. Asgardians are so heavy. Comics Thor is canonically 640lbs. Loki is 525lbs. How do they not break everything they sit on when they're on Earth [lol]

I want a comic where Thor tries to sit on a really unstable Midgardian lawn chair and just falls right through it.

Edited by Zanthype on Nov 30th 2018 at 9:42:29 AM

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91457: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:06:54 PM

So here's something: Alan Sepinwall says that Disney+ won't be hosting any of the cancelled Netflix shows, since the movie execs in charge don't like them. But Disney+ isn't actually the only streaming service that Disney owns...or partially owns: they actually hold a 30% stake in Hulu, which actually increases to a 60% stake once you add in Fox, so technically Disney could get Hulu to do new seasons of the recently cancelled Netflix shows.

Which, you know, would kind of be a first: a show moving from Netflix to Hulu.

Another option would be if ABC itself wanted one of those shows themselves. Daredevil might actually be very popular if it was airing on a network.

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#91458: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:14:22 PM

So, the reboot is happening?

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91459: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:30:48 PM

No, nobody said anything about rebooting.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#91460: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:49:17 PM

"He called the relationship between the Netflix pocket of the MCU and Disney "one-sided," and admitted that Disney could bring these characters back someday, but only in a creative direction similar to what transpired with Spider-Man with Sony. That saw Disney recasting the character with Tom Holland and telling a whole new story, which erased the stories of Toby Maguire and Andrew Garfield's Spider-Men." Sounds like it is being implied.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91461: Nov 30th 2018 at 10:53:07 PM

I think you are missing this part where that's all entirely speculation.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91462: Dec 1st 2018 at 12:20:47 AM

We need to wait and see. At the end of the day, it also kind of hinges on the writers. Feige often goes for a good pitch.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#91463: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:10:06 AM

Disney+ won't be hosting any of the cancelled Netflix shows, since the movie execs in charge don't like them.

That actually surprised me. But then I realized Ike Perlmutter actually has a say in the TV division, so maybe that's why? Or, again, even the movie execs think these shows are super-depressing.

But hey, Netflix originals becoming Hulu originals, that would be interesting. Granted, Hulu doesn't have the worldwide reach that Netflix does, but if it's true that the Disney-Fox deal will lead to more countries getting Hulu...

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Dec 1st 2018 at 10:11:13 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91464: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:14:00 AM

And Hulu already has Runaways, which is already getting a second season.

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#91465: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:17:41 AM

I'm wondering why Disney is even bothering with Disney+ when they now own Hulu.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91466: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:41:59 AM

They don't own Hulu, they just are the majority stockholder. Plus, Hulu is a local service...it should be easier to establish something with "Disney" as part of the name internationally.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#91467: Dec 1st 2018 at 7:44:18 AM

I thought being the majority stockholder meant you owned something. Especially when you own 60% of that thing, which someone here said Disney would after they buy Fox.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91468: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:15:51 AM

Well, yes. But isn't it better to own something completely?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91469: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:31:59 AM

Disney owns so many things now that having their own service for live action tv only makes sense.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#91470: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:32:21 AM

The vast majority of major companies are not "owned entirely" by any one individual or group. That's why the stock market exists.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91471: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:41:03 AM

I think Disney wants their own streaming service for things that are just Disney. While Disney would have a 60% majority stake in Hulu after the Fox merger, NBC would also own 30% and Time Warner would own 10%. (This is because, before each network had their own streaming, they all pitched in together so that people could watch their shows days/weeks/months later. Well, except CBS, who was like "We don't need no streaming service. OH SHIT WAIT WE DO, fine, we'll make one ourselves! With Star Trek and blackjack!")

This is why Hulu has the last five episodes (or entire seasons) of ABC, NBC, and Fox shows. (They used to have the CW shows, too, but the CW made a separate deal with Netflix.)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91472: Dec 1st 2018 at 8:57:32 AM

Well, I am sure that they will add stuff from the Fox library to the Disney Streaming service, but only things which are "on Brand" so to speak.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91473: Dec 1st 2018 at 10:50:13 AM

Disney also very much prefers to keep things within their fold rather than across different ones. The predominance of their name is very important to them.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91474: Dec 1st 2018 at 11:02:04 AM

Well, it has served them well. It's the only studio which doubles as a Brand. Everything, from the way they write the "D" to their castle is not just instantly recognizable, people have an emotional connection with it.

You know, for all the complains back then when Disney bought Marvel, I actually think that those two were the perfect fit.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#91475: Dec 1st 2018 at 4:07:16 PM

Well, it has served them well. It's the only studio which doubles as a Brand. Everything, from the way they write the "D" to their castle is not just instantly recognizable, people have an emotional connection with it.

You're right that Disney is the biggest movie studio with the most concrete brand, but I'd say that Dreamworks comes in second, with Paramount third.


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