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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#91401: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:00:45 PM

I mean the evil counterpart of the hero right down to powers thing.

Just Makima.
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#91402: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:01:44 PM

When I hear "Starforce", the first thing I think of is the Megaman Starforce games.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#91404: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:12:41 PM

[up][up][up]I mean, maybe. Though I wouldn't be surprised by a fight between Carol and Minn-Evra at some point.

In addition to her probably facing Talos as well.

Edited by ArthurEld on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:12:55 PM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91405: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:15:57 PM

Wasn't Jude Law announced to be playing Mar-Vell? Are they turning him and Yon-Rogg into a Composite Character?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#91406: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:18:01 PM

I mean, everyone in Starforce has that uniform. You can see that in the trailer.

Perhaps, but there's also another figure of Jude Law's character, and the name isn't given. Just the generic placeholder "Starforce Commander." And given that the directors have deliberately refused to mention who he's playing, that's pretty damning.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#91407: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:30:43 PM

Biker!Funko!Carol is adorable.

Good to have what seems to be confirmation of Law's role. Makes sense to me. Given that everyone else on the "Skrull-hunting Squad" is canonically villainous, I think it makes much better sense storywise for Carol to be the unwitting Token Good Teammate, as opposed to both Carol and Law's character being good guys. Like she kind of has to be the only unwitting one, right?

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#91408: Nov 29th 2018 at 9:33:29 PM

RIP Marvel Netflix. When you were good, you were mind-blowing. When you sucked, you were a dumpster fire fueled by wet dogshit. But the one thing you never were was mediocre.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#91409: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:12:28 PM

Maybe, after the next (and possibly last) Avengers movie coming out next year, Marvel will be looking to make the Defenders the banner for their teamup movies. While the Avengers are "Earth's Mightiest Heroes" and are supposed to be the biggest and most important heroes around, the comic book Defenders are more a constantly shifting hodgepodge of whatever heroes happen to bump into each other and decide to team up, with considerably less in-universe respect and acclaim. That might be more what the films are looking for now that they've got so many heroes that forming an organized team out of them is simply infeasible.

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#91410: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:35:19 PM

Matpat breaks down the potential for a Groot language.

His conclusion: if the Groot language can be divided into 14 notes per word, 5 lengths per word, and each word can be stressed or unstressed, that multiplies up into 2,744,000 different ways to say "I Am Groot", which is WAAAAAAY more than enough to constitute a full language.

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#91411: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:45:38 PM

I hope Thor got full credit for that course.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#91412: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:48:54 PM

Dammit, Marvel owes us a scene of Thor and Groot chatting. In groot. I need to see Hemsworth having a conversation in Groot. Please.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#91413: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:50:39 PM

Bear in mind, though, Groot typically expresses entire sentences when he speaks, not a single word. He doesn't use an individual "I am Groot" for each word. He can express both "You watch television" and "Television watches you" as "I am Groot". So it wouldn't work that there's an exact way of saying "I" or "Groot" that corresponds to specific words, because then it'd be impossible for him to swap words between different parts of a sentence.

My theory: Groot's language is partially hypersonic and is better understood by people who can hear in very high pitches. He's still saying "I am Groot", but there are more ways of saying it than humans are capable of hearing.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:52:42 AM

MegaJ Since: Oct, 2009
#91414: Nov 29th 2018 at 10:57:51 PM

...it is too hopeful for me to still hope that one of the MCU film characters will hum "I Want Your Cray Cray" on screen?

ETA: If Disney/Marvel had plans for the Defenders, I think Soft Reboot is the way to go, I just hope they don't recast any of the principal actors.

Edited by MegaJ on Nov 29th 2018 at 11:01:37 AM

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#91415: Nov 29th 2018 at 11:03:56 PM

[up][up]The English language has 171,000 words. With 2,744,000 variations, it's totally possible for one "I am Groot" to translate into a short sentence of English.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 29th 2018 at 12:04:35 PM

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91416: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:16:06 AM

I honestly don't want kiddified continuations of these shows.....if you have to, reboot entirely.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91417: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:30:37 AM

Why would they be kiddified, though? There is nothing that says Disney+ is only going to have PG rated things in it. (The Netflix shows themselves are almost all PG-13, never even using the F-word. Some of the violence in JJ Season 1 and Daredevil Season 3 might slightly tip over into R, but that's about it.) (Well, okay, Punisher is a hard R in violence, but that's it.)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91418: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:37:38 AM

Yeah, the one thing which made those shows r-rated was a little bit of swearing, more blood and the fact that they showed characters f.... But in terms of fight scenes, Ao S was able to do those too.

Frankly, the r-rating is just overrated. It really is.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91419: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:39:40 AM

Well yeah, but Frank Castle is exactly the character I'm most concerned about. He is just one of these few characters who don't work without all the heavy violence. It's part of his fundamental concept.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91420: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:39:41 AM

It's not like any of the shows currently have any subject that requires a higher rating anymore anyway, though granted I haven't seen Daredevil yet.

I always assumed that Luke Cage Season 2's very transparent and pointless sex scenes were only there to ensure they kept their mature rating, because the season isn't much more graphic than your average action movie. Even the severed heads thing could still be done on a lower rating without much muss.

And Jessica Jones and Iron Fist's seasons were the same way. There's no particular why even if they got lower ratings that would somehow cause them to be unable to tell the same kinds of stories with the characters.

In fact, I'd argue instead of trying to shoehorn Iron Fist into a gritty mature rated drama, they would have done much better making it into a lower rated, more bombastic wuxia from the start.

Plus, imo one of the best things they could do with the characters right now is adapt the New Avengers (Spider-Man, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Dr. Strange, Jessica Jones, etc), which probably would be more straightforward heroic as apposed to gritty and urban like the Netflix shows, but would also allow them to adapt interesting things about the characters that Netflix wasn't willing to.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2018 at 1:31:29 AM

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#91421: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:49:55 AM

I mean honestly I was kind of hoping The Defenders would be a more bombastic wuxia series. But while I do think the first two Daredevil seasons made judicious use of the hard R for violence, Dex didn't even impale anyone or jam a pencil in their eye.

He didn't even kill anyone with an M&M, I'm still bitter about that.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 30th 2018 at 2:01:38 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91422: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:55:41 AM

Daredevil and Punisher were the only shows that really continued to get any essential use and mileage out of their mature rating through their whole run.

But Jessica Jones Season 1 is probably the only season of any of the shows besides those two that has ever even needed it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2018 at 12:56:49 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91423: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:58:18 AM

Yeah you really don't need hard-gore, swearing, or sex-scenes.

All that's flab though I will admit seeing Wolverine brutally slice people apart will never get old.

Even then its not that necessary. The content of the stories is what matters after all.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 30th 2018 at 12:59:29 PM

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#91424: Nov 30th 2018 at 12:59:48 AM

Yeah, Wolverine, Deadpool and the Punisher are those kind of characters that just don't feel whole when they are 'defanged'.

I just hate it when Wolverine only ever punches people in cartoons.

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 30th 2018 at 10:00:16 AM

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#91425: Nov 30th 2018 at 1:13:07 AM

I think one Avengers comic justified Wolverine not slicing people into chunks by making him promise not to use his claws on people, otherwise it would hurt the team's image. So, he still used his claws, just not to directly slash people, he used them to do environmental damage or against robots.


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