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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91376: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:00:28 PM

TV Tropes literally has a page called Soft Reboot — it's when you keep things in the same continuity, you just "consolidate" things so that it's easier for readers/viewers to understand and not have to catch up with anything that came before. Consider the Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV show as a soft reboot for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer film — the film still happened (and we get a brief explanation for why she moved away from LA), but you don't need to see it.

The three seasons of Daredevil being on Netflix does not necessarily mean that they won't also be on Disney+.
Why would Netflix let Disney+ have access to those seasons, though? It's pretty clear that Netflix wants to keep them and having them on two platforms means that Netflix would be competing against itself.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:01:49 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91377: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:03:31 PM

Spin-off also work on the principle. It is helpful if you have watched Buffy before watching Angel, but you don't have to.

Hell, the same principle is used within the MCU all the time. Yes, you get a better experience if you watch everything, but you can watch The Avengers without watching a single movie leading up to it, you didn't really have to see Ant-man to understand Civil war aso.

chasemaddigan I'm Sad Frogerson. Since: Oct, 2011
I'm Sad Frogerson.
#91378: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:04:03 PM

With so many shows in the MCU being cancelled, I wonder why they've never thought about continuing them on in comic form. Get the same writers, and have them make a miniseries as the "next season" of the show. And since the TV and comics division of Marvel are run by the same people (at least, to my knowledge), there shouldn't be that much corporate bickering like there was between the show and film divisions.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91379: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:04:58 PM

I would rather have a proper wrap up in the same medium.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91380: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:12:21 PM

With so many shows in the MCU being cancelled, I wonder why they've never thought about continuing them on in comic form.
...what.

I mean, there already is a Daredevil comic. And a Jessica Jones comic. (And a Luke Cage and Immortal Iron Fist comic.) The shows are adapting stories from those comics. To make a comic from the show would be to adapt a story in the same medium as the story that it was adapted from.

Most comic book continuations of shows that were completely original and not already adaptions of comic books. To make a Daredevil comic would be a comic book adaptation of an adaptation of a comic book.

(The sole exception to this rule is Batman '66, but that's just because the show was so wildly different from the comics. Also, it was awesome.)

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91381: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:16:32 PM

Well, there are MCU tie-in comics. But I can do without them. They are usually getting contradicted sooner or later.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91382: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:17:47 PM

Plus, those are usually extensions of the movies — things like Infinity War Prelude or Ant-Man Prelude or things like that.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#91383: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:18:53 PM

I am honestly not too upset about the cancellations. The Netflix MCU shows all have a grittier vibe that really bums me out. I liked the first season of Jessica Jones, but there was no way I could watch it more than once. Ditto for Luke Cage and Daredevil; I didn’t watch the second season of any of them because I just found it too exhausting. My tolerance for Serious Art is Grim is too low. I wanted the Netflix shows to be more like Flash or Legends of Tomorrow. Y’know- fun. Not Deep and Grounded.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91384: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:20:43 PM

Given therecent Daredevil cancellation, I feel it's the time to repost this from last week;

Why the Netflix MCU verse is slowly dying: An analysis by Movie Bob. To refresh, he brings up Ike Perlmutter's antics and stifling creative control, the overall lack of creatively involving the 4 main Netflix shows, and the creation of Disney exclusive live action shows with movie level talent for their streaming service.

EDIT: Huh, even Movie Bob thought to update the video, since the last time I posted this Daredevil didn't have his face crossed out.

EDIT 2: And now its gone. Make up your mind Bob.

Edited by VeryMelon on Nov 29th 2018 at 10:35:02 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91385: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:21:14 PM

I wanted the Netflix shows to be more like Flash or Legends of Tomorrow.
God, I would love an MCU show in the same style as Legends of Tomorrow. Perhaps, now that Disney bought Fox, we can get an Exiles show? Stuff it with a bunch of random B- and C-list characters and then have them going through the multiverse.

I do think that Disney is wary of doing a straight up comedy in the MCU, which is why New Warriors hasn't been completely greenlit yet.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:22:23 AM

jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#91386: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:25:54 PM

Eh, Thor 3 was basically a straight up comedy movie, by the direct statement of the director himself. It did have serious moments but overall... Yeah, it was a comedy.

"These 'no-nonsense' solutions of yours just don't hold water in a complex world of jet-powered apes and time travel."
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91387: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:30:11 PM

Well at least they can go fantastical now.

Realism can be pretty limiting after all.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91388: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:34:31 PM

After thinking on it I would prefer if the characters were rebooted and the continuity of the Netflix adventures remained untouched or mentioned. Everyone (including Punisher and Jessica Jones) except Luke Cage had a happy ending were they are more or less in better places than they were before, with the only hanging issues being a few villain stingers that don't need to matter. Even Luke's season 2 ending can be argued as decent note to close the character on, if not to everyone's tastes for certain reasons.

If they must reboot these properties, then I want to see the corporate appeal film versions of them as their own takes. Leave Netflix behind, because you're going to trample on a lot of toes when you don't need to.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91389: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:37:34 PM

After thinking on it I would prefer if the characters were rebooted and the continuity of the Netflix adventures remained untouched or mentioned.
I wouldn't — I love Charlie Cox as Matt Murdock and Vincent D'Onofrio is pretty much the Kingpin in a lot of people's minds now.

What I would love is to see those characters introduced in other movies — like, have Daredevil and Fisk show up in a Spider-Man movie or a Black Widow movie.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#91390: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:43:35 PM

A Spider-Man movie where he has to fight Kingpin, as well as a bunch of other gang boss-type supervillains (Tombstone, Mr. Negative, etc), would be amazing. Especially as a reference to the gangbusting he did in the Silver Age comics and the new game.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91391: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:47:24 PM

I would do a soft reboot, but move the characters in another direction. Let's be blunt here: The shows were getting stale. Just compare, say, Fitz from Ao S with ANY of the Defender leads. Put him from season 1 side by side with how Fitz is now (or even with Fitz from season 3) and you can see how much the character changed since then. But the Defenders...they are always reset to the status quo eventually. And that's a problem. (There was also an overly lack of planning).

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#91392: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:47:28 PM

If they do get bumped into the movies, even as part of Spidey's supporting cast, that buys an awful lot of forgiveness. I'm just saying.

[up]Yeah, they were getting stale. Not because the second seasons weren't changing the status quo, but rather because they all changed the status quo in pretty much the same way: breaking up the band, separating the hero from their allies. Iron Fist actually broke the mold the most, but only in the very last moments of the show. And Daredevil Season 3 did feel a little too much like Daredevil Season 1 to me.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 30th 2018 at 10:48:04 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91393: Nov 29th 2018 at 7:58:51 PM

[up] It was pretty much Daredevil season 1. It was the same story with a few changes. Bullseye was the most interesting aspect of it because at least he was something new.

But also, what is the difference between Matt in the beginning of season 1 and compared to him at the end of season 3? There isn't one, he has come full circle, but there is no deeper realization he had along the way.

Another issue with the Netflix show was that the dramatic moments nearly always felt unearned.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#91394: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:05:11 PM

I liked how gritty and dark the Netflix shows were. It was a nice contrast to the generally upbeat films.

Mind you, gritty and dark != ending on a bitter note. I consider DD S1 and IF S2's endings to be some of the better ones, mainly because how it feels like they really earned that light at the end of the tunnel.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#91395: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:10:25 PM

Ending aside, though, Luke Cage's writing and acting felt the most... intricate of the four. I didn't love the idea of Luke taking over the "throne" of Harlem, but I feel like they really could have gone somewhere interesting with it, based on what they'd shown they could do with the right villain, and I never really thought it meant he was really going to be all the way corrupted by that power. I do still wish we could have seen where they would have gone next.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 29th 2018 at 9:46:24 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91396: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:22:29 PM

I would watch a Heroes For Hire show.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#91397: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:29:14 PM

I am not sure lighter and softer Defenders could work.

Just Makima.
comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#91398: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:32:13 PM

The Funko figures for Captain Marvel have been revealed. Spoilers! Jude Law is playing Yon-Rogg, a villain from the comics who was responsible for Carol getting her powers in the first place.

Here ya go.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#91399: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:46:05 PM

>Bears an outfit similar to Carol. >Likely means she will fight Carol in some mirror match. Ugh.

Edited by Mizerous on Nov 29th 2018 at 11:46:17 AM

Just Makima.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#91400: Nov 29th 2018 at 8:50:44 PM

I mean, everyone in Starforce has that uniform. You can see that in the trailer.


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