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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#91351: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:15:42 PM

Or reboots.

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#91352: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:15:52 PM

Fuckity fuckity fuckity fuck.

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#91353: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:17:55 PM

I've been expecting this since Luke Cage's cancellation. Disney's pulling the rug out from under the Netflix shows so that they aren't competing with themselves when they produce their streaming service.

I'm not sure if they'll be able to move the shows, though. Depending on the nature of Netflix's distribution rights, Disney may in fact have to pay Netflix to license their own shows back to them, which would be ridiculous and no studio in their right mind would ever agree to that. It's this exact situation that killed Spectacular Spider-Man.

There's a very real possibility that any shows Marvel produced but doesn't hold distributing rights to will just wind up being the unwanted stepchildren of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, technically existing but being utterly ignored by the greater canon around them. So, no real change if you think about it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 29th 2018 at 7:19:56 AM

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#91354: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:29:19 PM

Supposedly the ratings of Daredevil have been slipping, too.

In a way, this is a good thing, though. If there is a chance that Disney will continue the story, it will be bigger when it can move the complete Netflix verse.

[up] Maybe, but we frankly don't know. And if they can repackage the characters into a new show if they want to.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:30:34 AM

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#91355: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:29:24 PM

The cancellation statement ends with the following sentence: "While the series on Netflix has ended, the three existing seasons will remain on the service for years to come, while the Daredevil character will live on in future projects for Marvel.”

What this sentence means is "This show is with Netflix forever, but Marvel will be free to do their own reboot of it in the future".

My interest in any reboots is below zero. Netflix had delivered the best Daredevil adaptation humanly possible and in my humble opinion the best comic book adaptation ever.

No real interest in rebooting the pinnacle.

Edited by Gaon on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:31:30 AM

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#91357: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:32:36 PM

What it means is that Disney has plans for a Daredevil film somewhere down the line

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#91358: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:32:52 PM

I hope Disney just continues Daredevil with a 4th season or a movie, instead of rebooting the character.

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#91359: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:33:49 PM

What the sentence means is "These three seasons will stay on Netflix, but Marvel is free to make their own show with the same characters/actors." Basically, Disney can now make their own Daredevil show, which I hope they do.

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#91360: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:34:17 PM

Well they could start opening up some of the characters to the more fantastic.

Like really play-up the superpowered kung-fu nature of Iron Fist to its hilt unrestrained by the gritty format the Netflix shows shared.

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#91361: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:38:09 PM

[up][up] Not sure if that includes the actors and this particular take on the characters, but I really, rally would like to see what Disney can do with Iron Fist outside of New York.

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#91362: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:39:13 PM

I'm somewhat skeptical of the idea the Disney streaming service will opt to continue a highly plotline-heavy three-seasons-long show when they literally cannot air those three seasons on their own streaming service. It's a ridiculous business proposition, because hypothetical new viewers would need to go to Netflix, their business rival, to catch up on the plot of the Disney streaming service's Daredevil before heading into the hypothetical fourth season.

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#91363: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:40:20 PM

Meaning recasting thus reboot.

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#91364: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:43:50 PM

Meaning recasting thus reboot.
I highly doubt that they are going to reboot Daredevil, what with the first three seasons being highly acclaimed and, so far, the MCU has refused to reboot anything. (Recast, yes, reboot, no. But Charlie Cox has been acclaimed so much as Matt Murdock that I doubt Disney will recast him either.)

What they will probably do, however, is have a quick recap in the beginning of anyone who doesn't know his origin...and then dive right into the next storyline, one that doesn't have any ties to previous storylines.

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#91365: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:44:27 PM

Man. corporate bullshit screws everything up again.

I get it. It's your money and all. They got their way of doing things, but it really sucks.

Fans want to see this stuff, and we're sick of rights issues and other bullshit screwing it up.

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#91366: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:44:59 PM

[up][up][up] They could do a soft reboot, though. Why not start with Iron Fist and Ward somewhere in Asia? You can reintroduce the characters and then start anew. Same with Daredevil. Hell, the only show which is currently at a point at which a soft reboot would be difficult is Jessica Jones, and that could change after the next season.

I mean, Doctor Who does it all the time, right?

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:45:22 AM

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#91367: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:45:36 PM

I just realized that Clint's wife is Velma from the live action ScoobyDoo.

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#91368: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:46:58 PM

[up][up]This is why the X-Men will be rebooted. You can't simply import Xavier and Magneto's actors into the MCU without a long-winded explanation. Either they keep the old actors or redo everything.

Edited by Mizerous on Nov 29th 2018 at 9:47:16 AM

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#91369: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:47:31 PM

I see no reason why the Netflix shows couldn't also be on Disney+.

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#91370: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:49:07 PM

The statement of cancellation of DD literally just stated "The three seasons will stay on Netflix for a long time". They won't be imported there.

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#91371: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:49:27 PM

[up][up][up] The reason why there is a need to reboot the X-men is for one, the current movieverse is a mess and two, the X-men itself are so interwoven with history that I actually think that they should leave them out of THIS MCU timeline and instead stick them into an alternate timeline.

Anyway, the Defenders shows, they are not difficult to explain or to incorporate.

[up] Well, "Long time" is very vague….

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:49:54 AM

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#91372: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:49:41 PM

Disney+ Won't have any R-Rated stuff. [up] If they move this over to a new audience, then a huge explanation for why they aren't in the films is needed.

Edited by Mizerous on Nov 29th 2018 at 9:50:38 AM

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#91373: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:50:43 PM

[up] Other than the Punhisher, I don't think that any of the Defender shows actually need to be R-rated. And I don't think that there is a need for an explanation. There wasn't one beforehand, so why should there be a need for one now? They simply haven't meet the Avengers yet.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 29th 2018 at 6:51:40 AM

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#91374: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:51:34 PM

The three seasons of Daredevil being on Netflix does not necessarily mean that they won't also be on Disney+.

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#91375: Nov 29th 2018 at 6:54:40 PM

If you're talking about the Doctor's regenerations, that's not really a soft reboot, and it's not really an example many other shows could follow.

Edited by Unsung on Nov 29th 2018 at 8:02:55 AM


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