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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#91276: Nov 28th 2018 at 7:00:32 AM

Loki is no hero. He's a threat! A menace!

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91277: Nov 28th 2018 at 7:42:10 AM

[up] Sure, but there is something really f... up about taking a child from a different culture (species, actually) and then raising it in the belief to be part of your culture while also telling it that members of their original "race" are bloodthirsty monsters. Any child which then learns that it is actually part of the people it was taught to hate would most likely lose it. Except that they aren't kind of gods in terms of power.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91278: Nov 28th 2018 at 7:55:24 AM

Then again it worked pretty fine & dandy for centuries, Loki never knew shit about what he is for most of his life.

Plus the Frost Giants are indeed rather unpleseant.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 28th 2018 at 7:55:56 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91279: Nov 28th 2018 at 7:59:17 AM

Are they? We have never really seen the perspective of the Frost Giants.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91280: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:10:46 AM

[up][up]If Odin's plan only worked as long as Loki didn't know he was a Frost Giant, then it was a dumb plan.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#91281: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:19:33 AM

Odin made some bad choices. It's hard to see the decision to take Loki and subsequent decision to raise him in ignorance about his natural heritage as anything other than cultural imperialism, especially in light of what "Ragnarok" revealed about Asgard and Odin's history.

This in no way absolves Loki of his own terrible choices, especially the attempted genocide of the Jotuns - the ultimate extension of Odin's imperialistic influence, intended or not, on his children. Children become what their parents raise them to be; despite his best intentions in his later years, Odin wound up teaching Loki to violently reject his Jotun blood all the same.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 28th 2018 at 9:22:04 AM

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Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#91282: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:35:07 AM

Nightwire@ that sounds like something j.jonah jameson would say

Edited by Drakon69 on Nov 28th 2018 at 6:38:37 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91283: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:36:43 AM

Odin's had to banish all of three of his kids for turning out just like him, so I think it's safe to say he's not the best father in the universe.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#91284: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:39:49 AM

[up]Also considering how good he hide Hela and is past, I will said that having a eyepatch make you secretive(Nick fury, Odin).

Unless nick fury is asgardian....

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91285: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:44:45 AM

Good thing then that Thor got rid of the eyepatch.

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#91286: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:51:09 AM

Indeed. That new eye of his may have been up a raccoon's bum previously, but that's still an improvement over the alternative.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91287: Nov 28th 2018 at 8:54:45 AM

No matter how hard you try your mistakes will catch up to you one day.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91288: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:00:38 AM

I thought Odin was pretty bad back when Thor had just come out, tbh. One son is a jerk ass frat boy that's willing to get his friends and brother killed over a petty insult ("Run home little princess") and start an all out war, and Loki's a jerk ass with a mountain of pent up daddy issues that's already manifesting in reckless behavior (letting the frost giants in during the coronation.) Odin's either managed to completely overlook these nasty traits in his kids, or he's chosen to not address them until after a literal war almost breaks out because of them.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
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#91289: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:07:08 AM

Odin is clearly meant to be seen as a jerkass, yes. I'm not sure how that could have come across any more clearly. I mean, maybe everyone is blinded by Anthony Hopkins' face into missing that... but have they seen any of his other work? [lol]

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 28th 2018 at 12:07:52 PM

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#91290: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:09:57 AM

I recall the writer of Thor referred to Odin as “the dad from Sanford and Son.”

Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#91291: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:11:40 AM

[up][up]I don't know, I thought the first movie was meant to portray him as a wise and sympathetic figure. Thor literally says at the end something to the effect of, "You're a good father." And I remember thinking, "...ehhhhhhh."

Edited by Zanthype on Nov 28th 2018 at 9:12:06 AM

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91292: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:17:02 AM

Aside from the "both of you are kings" line I didn't think the first movie really put enough focus on what kind of father Odin was in general. That one rather good and sweet scene about Thor and Loki before everything went to shit is the only deleted scene I've watched from it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#91293: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:49:44 AM

On the subject of Thor's eyepatch, am I the only one here who kinda preferred that look? The gag about the prosthetic eye being smuggled up Rocket's bum is funny, but I feel like giving Thor his eye back so soon after Ragnarok (in the same film that gives him a replacement for his hammer) is too... status-quo Reset Button-ish. Like undoing all the damage Ragnarok inflicted upon him rather than letting him amass some changes and wounds.

Plus eyepatches are badass.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91294: Nov 28th 2018 at 9:51:25 AM

I think it is pretty obvious that Odin failed with both of his sons from the get go. Thor's arrogance wasn't exactly easy to overlook before he nearly started a war, nor is it surprising that Loki feels less loved even before the whole f... up story about his true heritage was revealed.

I kind of adore the confrontation between Loki and Odin, because it is so raw. And yes, we are meant to understand that Odin loves Loki but being well-meaning doesn't translate into being a good father or a good ruler for that matter.

[up] Nah, I don't miss it at all. Thor is Thor, he doesn't need to look like Odin.

Edited by Swanpride on Nov 28th 2018 at 9:52:16 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#91295: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:12:48 AM

I preferred the patch and sleeveless look.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91296: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:20:13 AM

Sleeves are give-or-take but I liked the eyepatch better as well.

AyyItsMidnight Look, just be decent to one another ok? Since: Oct, 2018
Look, just be decent to one another ok?
#91297: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:22:09 AM

I realize having two eyes is more practical and it's not that big a deal for me, but I agree with [up][up]

Edited by AyyItsMidnight on Nov 28th 2018 at 10:22:24 AM

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Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The dragon archnerd
#91298: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:23:19 AM

I also liked him with the eyepach.

Edited by Drakon69 on Nov 28th 2018 at 8:23:52 PM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91299: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:25:12 AM

It looked good on him & it was a good sign of consequence.

Also the symbolism in by losing an eye he becomes wise like Odin did.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91300: Nov 28th 2018 at 10:30:03 AM

An interesting analysis of the final fight in Civil War - if you ever wondered why it works so well.


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