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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Nobody says that heroes should only wear body armour. Jessica Jones for example doesn't. Running around in a leotard is just not particularly practical, especially not the ones you usually see in comics, and it often doesn't fit the character in question. Why should an air-force pilot picking this kind of attire? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't Kamala Kahn wearing slightly more streamline Streetclothing? that makes perfectly sense for someone whose power is to stretch.
If you’re talking about Carol, we’ve already pointed out that it doesn’t fit her personality.
The point of practicality is, indeed, precisely why a design choice like that is best saved for characters who are supposed to be more flash than substance.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 7:46:08 AM
Black Widow doesn't wear body armor. Scarlet Witch doesn't wear body armor. Vision doesn't wear body armor. The Netflix heroes, Daredevil excluded, don't wear body armor. Wonder Woman wears it in the DCEU, but it's meant to look like it's still based on battle armor that the other Amazons wear, etc.
But all of those outfits were redesign to fit into a film aesthetic. Deadpool is kind of a special case because he is one of the most fourth-wall breaking tongue in cheek characters out there. He intentionally pokes fun a superhero tropes in the film itself.
I think you’re mistaking the theming of the films Marvel has already used for a “film aesthetic.” There’s no such thing as a universal film aesthetic beyond what’s comfortable and inexpensive to wear and produce: that Marvel hasn’t done it thus far and whether it can’t work are two different things.
That’s the kind of complacency that gives you the DCEU’s mistakes, and while Marvel is going to need to overcome its own hurdles with that sort of honking in he next few years for sure, we shouldn’t be encouraging them not to.
This is especially true if you pay attention to he heming rather than look at the costuming in a vacuum. Marvel’s heroes and heroines are all soldiers: even Iron Man, who claims not to be, both acts like one and faces enemies that are appropriate to that context. The genres and characterizations we see in those films are vitally important to the costuming, because costumes much match the characters and theming hat surround them: Captain America must wear practical wear, because he’s an American soldier surrounded by WW 2. Iron Man must wear practical wear, because he’s fighting terrorists with emphasis on realistic arms and weapons.
But now Marvel’s starting - slowly - to branch out, after falling into that template complacently over the last couple of phases, they’re starting to break out of it. The “soldier” theming, while still present in several of their upcoming projects, is not quite as universal in the ideas they’re currently considering: some of which feature lighter and less grounded adventures and characters (which shows that they’re learning: fitting those themes to characters who are actually built for it, rather than trying to apply them to everybody). As a result, there’s less reason to assume that their costuming tendencies will continue to remain rigidly uniform across all of their projects as well. We’re starting to see more casual characters, more flashy characters, and more outlandish and comic books things: that’s going to feature into the way things look for sure.
As for Deadpool, while it made fun of many superhero tropes, costuming wasn’t one of them. IIRC Apocalypse, very much not a parody comedy, used similar designs as well.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 8:04:55 AM
Can we take a moment to appreciate how good Marvel is in adjusting comic book looks into something more, well, realistic (Captain America, Falcon) or redesigning something entirely new (Star Lord, Scarlet Witch)?
I am pretty sure that the line about the tight a.. he pressed into his costume was a meta joke about it.
Edited by Swanpride on Nov 24th 2018 at 8:01:22 AM
For me one of the bigger factors is the overall intent behind the character. I was fine with Harley Quinn's Suicide Squad outfit mostly because she always evoked strong sexual Femme Fatale / The Baroness type personality traits, while her classic costume is a (skin tight) full body suit a lot of her alternate costumes are even more scandalous than the films' (what's often ignored is that she is wearing a fully covered t-shirt). The same can be said of Catwoman, while someone like Starfire has a No Nudity Taboo built in. To change their outfits completely away from that would be to outright change their character Certainly they can and usually do adjust the costume to the medium, but you still want the character looking like the character.
In contrast, characters like Huntress, Black Canary or Scarlet Witch dressed that way mostly because that was the standard comics Stripperiffic style, not because it is built into their personality. As such while they can do nods to the original costume there is a less pressing need to replicate their sexualized look. And then characters like Jean Grey or Black Widow dress so generically no one really cared about any changes there.
Of course, a funny thing that sometimes happens is that replicating the full body male costumes end up more sexualized than in the comics because of the difficulty of managing the bulge in the crotch.
Whether Leotards Of Power look good on film is a question of aesthetics, and whether they make sense for the character is going to be a case-by-case thing, but I don't get the argument that they're impractical. Isn't being easy to move in while performing athletic activities what leotards were designed for?
"He intentionally pokes fun a superhero tropes in the film itself."
Does it? aside of lampsahde he does play by the said conventions even if put a joke here and there every now and then, the second movie is your tipical fox and marvel movie with more jokes in it.
"And Harley herself was flirty but not super sexual. "
Kinda? she said "dony you want to ride your harley" to the joker in what can be considering one of the most obvious getting crap past the radar ever, her non sexual nature can be put to the fact her original personality is "Joker peppy fangirl/cheerleader", so onces they change that, everything else did.
Edited by unknowing on Nov 24th 2018 at 4:15:42 PM
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I was talking more about the practicality of actors wearing them on set.
As for protection during combat, given how almost no one in the MCU wears helmets unless it's also part of a full-body power armor, I'm gonna say protective clothing just isn't a concern for these folks.
MCU Black Widow wears a catsuit, but I always assumed it was made of Kevlar or some other bullet/blade-resistant material. I thought the same about all of Cap's suits too, except for the one he wore in the first Avengers movie.
But I don't worry too much about any of this stuff, since they went out of their way to tell people that the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a completely separate continuity and we shouldn't expect it to be the same as the comics.
That was a replica of his WW 2 armor that Cap stole out of a museum display, so kinda dubious how effective it actually was.
Well The truth is that the movie superheroes wear black trope has started to become thinner
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dont forget that that costume is from an era before bulletproof armor so its not suprising that a handgun round go straight through
Edited by Drakon69 on Nov 24th 2018 at 1:08:43 PM
DRAGON DRAGONLeotards might be great if you are on a stage or in a gymnastic competition, but they provide zero protection, not just from attacks but also from the cold, they are not particularly enduring and it is actually not really that comfortable to wear one. They can be pretty...squeezy.
Also, count me in as one of those people who disagree that it is part of Harley's character to be overly sexualized. That is Poison Ivy's role. That's part of the reason why they are such a great contrast for each other.
Edited by Swanpride on Nov 24th 2018 at 3:18:10 AM
Certainly the comics took Harley in a different direction from the original source, but that's just how things go. The reality is that even a full body suit can be considered sexy depending on how it is framed, and it's rather difficult to find any image of Harley that isn't overtly sexy either with her in a slinky two-piece outfit or otherwise in a body contorting pose. Compare that to Black Canary, where she usually has strong, no-nonsense heroic poses even though she is wearing a corset and tight leggings (often fishnets).
And the contrast between Harley and Ivy is about as far away from The Vamp vs. The Prude as you can get. Ivy is just more The Comically Serious compared to Harley's Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny!. In reality, because Ivy is more calculated in demeanor and body language you could make an argument she is LESS sexualized than Harley, who is often bouncing around the room making a show of how sexy she is.
Looking back on it, yeesh is Harley's movie outfit bad. One of the worst examples of Civie Spandex.
At least her New 52 outfit has the right colors. Sure its skimpy as Hell too but hey at least it generally has the colors & patterns of the original harlequin outfit.
The movie one is just completely unrecognizable.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."So re-watching Ragnarok, and I'm reminded that Dr. Strange knew Odin was on Earth, and talked with him after the latter broke free of Loki's spell (he states that the reason he never called Thor was because Odin was insistent).
You have to wonder what they discussed during that time. I'm pretty curious. Maybe Odin dropped some hints about future events. He's supposed to be able to see the future to some extent in the original mythology isn't he?
I'm really curious about it. You can never tell what'll be important later on.
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It also wasn’t an accident that the primary character I’ve been using as an example as a perfect recipient for an outfit like that in live action is a dude.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 7:18:56 AM