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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91151: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:19:02 AM

Hawkeye had that problem too. They kept his classic purple costume but used his Ultimate (and later movie!) backstory of him as a S.H.I.E.L.D. black ops agent, which then raises the question of why does S.H.I.E.L.D. have their black-ops people dress up in extremely easy to see colors.

Or why they'd let them use something as outdated as a bow and arrow.

I don't know I think it works. Helps that Witch isn’t a physical fighter.

Neither are Human Torch, Professor Xavier or Dr Strange (occasional kung fu wizard moments notwithstanding) but I don’t see anyone arguing for them to be in leotards.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 24th 2018 at 1:25:46 AM

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#91152: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:27:11 AM

It's a really advanced bow and arrow.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91153: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:34:21 AM

And, unlike bullets, his arrows can do all sorts of things. Like, he has a boomerang arrow.

"Why would you need an arrow that returns back to you?" I hear you cry.

Because...boomerangs.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91154: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:34:44 AM

[up][up][up] Well she’s a witch, it’s feels matching.

And hey if Strange wants to strut around in a leotard let him. It just better have a good design.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 24th 2018 at 1:35:17 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91155: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:39:26 AM

Neither are Human Torch, Professor Xavier or Dr Strange (occasional kung fu wizard moments notwithstanding) but I don’t see anyone arguing for them to be in leotards.

None of those examples traditionally wear such things, so no one argues for them to suddenly start wearing them in adaptations.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91156: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:41:49 AM

Well she’s a witch, it’s feels matching.

Witches are know for wearing leotards?

[up]I know that. But the person I was replying to was basing their argument for Scarlet Witch in a leotard on the fact that she isn't a physical fighter.

Edited by windleopard on Nov 24th 2018 at 1:42:56 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91157: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:42:50 AM

That's just one factor, its not the end be all.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91158: Nov 24th 2018 at 2:06:00 AM

A leotard is just not a good costume, period. Would you fight in what it basically a bathing suit?

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91159: Nov 24th 2018 at 2:07:10 AM

Why why not?

Plain & simple.

Edited by slimcoder on Nov 24th 2018 at 2:08:14 AM

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Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
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#91160: Nov 24th 2018 at 2:17:54 AM

I don't think a witch is known to wear leotards. Give one good reason beyond being loyal to the comic design.(which is also a bad reason because the original design is comic book sexualization BS)

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#91161: Nov 24th 2018 at 4:54:30 AM

I got my live action leotard fix from Apocalypse. It can look good with the right design, but I highly doubt the MCU would ever try it unless it's a Jessica Jones/Luke Cage styled Take That Us shout-out.

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#91162: Nov 24th 2018 at 5:36:49 AM

> Well she’s a witch, it’s feels matching.

Wheres her hat and broomstick?Can't be a witch without either of those

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#91163: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:01:13 AM

Or unless there is a scene at the swimming pool for some reason.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#91164: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:04:46 AM

[up][up]Not to mention cat, cauldron and grimoire.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#91165: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:06:24 AM

Also she needs to cackle at least once to truly be a witch

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91166: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:37:26 AM

I still say it must be a leotard or nothing for Hercules.

Actually, given Herc’s personality in the comics, it might literally be a leotard or nothing.

A leotard is just not a good costume, period. Would you fight in what it basically a bathing suit?

Ask a professional wrestler.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:38:36 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#91167: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:42:02 AM

The point is a superhero needs proper armour,wrestlers don't because it all takes place in a ring

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91168: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:43:32 AM

The characters don’t need to be wearing body armor if either their power set doesn’t require it or their temperament doesn’t lend them to caring about it.

Again, Hercules.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:44:36 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#91169: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:44:14 AM

Hercules has the personality and durability to wear a leotard, Scarlet Witch doesn't.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91170: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:47:01 AM

Is this conversation about whether superhero characters can conceivably wear leotards in films in general, or whether Scarlet Witch and only Scarlet Witch needs to or shouldn’t wear a leotard?

Because beyond someone bringing up Scarlet Witch as a counter example at one point, from what I can tell we’ve largely been talking about the former.

On a related note, while she doesn’t wear a leotard (more of a dress), you can bet the “superheroes should only wear body armor” topic is going to come up again if and when we ever get Kamala Khan, whose use of casual wear is part of her general aesthetic and theming.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 6:49:24 AM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#91171: Nov 24th 2018 at 6:54:07 AM

Ikedatakeshi alludes to a good point. Another problem with certain costumes isn't just look ridiculous and being overly-sexualized. It's that the sexualization has traditionally been much more applied to female heroes. That's why female characters were far more likely to wear revealing outfits than male ones back in the day.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91172: Nov 24th 2018 at 7:05:01 AM

Yeah (and there’s nothing “back in the day” about it, it still goes on), but an adaptation doesn’t have to reflect the tendencies of the source material unless the adaptor wants to.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 7:05:47 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#91173: Nov 24th 2018 at 7:05:09 AM

[up][up][up]As I said, Hercules have the personality and durability to justify wearing one. Most of the female ones wear one because fanservice. If you want leotards for the aesthetics of a traditional superhero, sure, I'd agree with having something more akin to silver age stuff for some variation in style, but only if the character in question would be the type to wear one. Wonder Woman had her costume changed into something similar to ancient Greek armor while still looking like her original costume, and she's(I think, they're inconsistent on whether she's bulletproof) durable enough to wear one, as while as growing up on an island full of women isolated from the rest of the world, thus it's plausible for her to have different views on what's acceptable to wear.

Edited by Ikedatakeshi on Nov 24th 2018 at 11:05:28 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91174: Nov 24th 2018 at 7:07:05 AM

And again, adaptors don’t have to adapt classic designs and retain the fan service element of said design unless they want to: many characters go through periods where their costumes are tweaked and redone to keep their essential characteristics while being less fanservicey, and the MCU isn't beholden to the skeevy intentions of artists who wanted them to be more fanservicey in the past.

In fact, the primary example I gave of a character for which that kind of design would thematically work (Squirrel Girl) is one who is not, typically, sexualized. Note also the X-Men uniforms in Deadpool which are modelled after their classic bodysuits: visually incorporating a lot of visual cues (including visually referencing the leotard design) that are typically used for fanservice in the comics while not actually sexualizing the characters.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 24th 2018 at 7:12:52 AM

Ikedatakeshi Baby dango from singapore Since: Nov, 2015 Relationship Status: Singularity
Baby dango
#91175: Nov 24th 2018 at 7:16:27 AM

And if they work, then sure, whatever. I already said I'm for traditional outfits if they're plausible in-universe or otherwise have redesigns to make them so.


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