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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91126: Nov 23rd 2018 at 3:41:53 PM

It doesn’t fit her personality much tbh, especially nowadays.

Though the dissonance can sometimes be amusing. EMH had that affect with her and Mockingbird, where these all-business military types just decided to up and wear extravagant and colorful leotard costumes in between appearances.

Mockingbird, especially. While Carol has the excuse of getting alien superpowers and being sent to keep tabs on the Avengers (the most extravagant and colorful people around), Bobbi just got a promotion and was only ever seen doing normal spy stuff in a normal spy setting. Wearing this. Though admittedly, she was Veranke in disguise.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:26:01 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#91127: Nov 23rd 2018 at 3:47:50 PM

Hawkeye had that problem too. They kept his classic purple costume but used his Ultimate (and later movie!) backstory of him as a S.H.I.E.L.D. black ops agent, which then raises the question of why does S.H.I.E.L.D. have their black-ops people dress up in extremely easy to see colors.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91128: Nov 23rd 2018 at 4:01:30 PM

Now Hawkeye’s old outfit is something I really miss. The leotard is just an affectionate non-serious reminiscence of an old no longer used thing but I really do miss Hawkeye’s archer attire.

His current style is very boring & bland.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#91129: Nov 23rd 2018 at 4:04:01 PM

I liked the coat he was wearing in the Sokovia battle.

I'm also kinda nostalgic for both of Carol's old costumes (I gained an appreciation for the original during EMH).

I know they're both kinda dumb, but I can't help it.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91130: Nov 23rd 2018 at 5:15:35 PM

I do kind of want to see a classic Leotard of Power costume at one point in the films, just one, especially if it’s on a character they acknowledge is a little kooky.

I’ve wanted to see a little more Silver or Bronze Age design for a while: while a lot of the character look great in the general MCU, a lot of others do come off a simply having more boring designs.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 23rd 2018 at 5:16:03 AM

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#91131: Nov 23rd 2018 at 5:36:07 PM

The problem with the leotards, well aside from translating them to live action traditionally being decidedly hit or miss quality-wise, and that it really wouldn't fit in with the overall aesthetic of the MCU, is that it tends to be MUCH easier for comics to over-sexualize them to ridiculous degrees.

Heck Liz Olsen complained about her outfit showing too much cleavage not too long ago, so I cannot imagine the problems that leotards would cause.

And yes, I agree with those who say that, while some characters can believably wear that stuff, Carol is not one of them given her background.

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#91132: Nov 23rd 2018 at 5:44:45 PM

Make Hawkeye wear the leotard.

Make sure it shows everything.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91133: Nov 23rd 2018 at 6:24:16 PM

You want to see what a comic-accurate Leotard of Power would look like in live action? Behold the Scarlet Witch. I don't know about you, but I don't think it works at all.

As for the current conversation...I love Iron Man 3, because it's a Shane Black film in the MCU. The one thing I do agree on is that Maya should have been the Big Bad instead of Killian — it would have made a better twist and Maya could have even have been turned into Monica Rappaccini, which would have made a lot more sense, what with the inclusion of AIM in the film (which never went anywhere).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#91134: Nov 23rd 2018 at 6:26:06 PM

I don't know I think it works.

Helps that Witch isn’t a physical fighter.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91135: Nov 23rd 2018 at 6:59:49 PM

I know we all like to complain about stuff in the movies, but just watch MovieBob explain the Avengers film that might have been:

...is it so bad that now I really, really want to see that movie?

MapleSamurai Since: Aug, 2014 Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
#91136: Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:23:48 PM

No worse than I am. In the parallel universe where it got made, no doubt it has since become a So Bad, It's Good cult classic, and as someone who particularly enjoys inviting friends over to riff on bad movies, there's no doubt that if I had access to multiversal travel, going to that universe to track down a DVD of that film would be the first thing I'd do.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91137: Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:35:02 PM

I think a Leotard of Power would work on a character who is intended be seen as not taking the world as seriously as the others - the kind of character who has the mentality of "I want to dress up in a costume and fight crime."

And given that we should finally be getting characters who have grown up in a world of superhero idolization, and Doylist-wise we're slowly starting to get more accepting of the idea that superheroes don't need to be sponsored or created of powerful organizations or conspiracies to exist, people (and series) with that kind of mentality is not really a stretch any more.

Like, if we ever actually get the New Warriors (looking less likely these days, admittedly), it would work for one of them because they're supposed to be idiots who are more concerned with looking flashy and being bombastic than being safe and conservative. Or, like, Squirrel Girl, where it looking silly is wrapped up in the point of the character. Or better yet, Hercules.

Whether or not it's comfortable (physically or emotionally) for the actor or actress involved, however, is still a very good counterpoint. Not everyone is comfortable with putting their image out there for millions to see while wearing a gymnastics uniform. Though they could keep hiring professional wrestlers, who are more used to it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:40:35 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91138: Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:50:10 PM

I've always said that Bautista would have made a great Hercules if he wasn't Drax. Just look at him in "Guardians Inferno."

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#91139: Nov 23rd 2018 at 8:54:02 PM

I feel like if they don't hire a professional wrestler to play Hercules, they're not doing it right.

Preferably the most bombastic one they can find.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#91142: Nov 23rd 2018 at 9:12:25 PM

Let's just stop delaying the inevitable and get John Cena himself as Hercules.

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#91143: Nov 23rd 2018 at 9:23:46 PM

Or, like, Squirrel Girl, where it looking silly is wrapped up in the point of the character.

God, I hate that art. Their faces look like the "weird/creepy face" style change moments in shows like The Amazing World of Gumball, where the weirdness or creepiness of the face is the punchline. Or Randowis. Those faces look like they're from reaction faces in the Randowis comic.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91144: Nov 23rd 2018 at 9:33:30 PM

I love Erica Henderson's artwork.

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#91145: Nov 23rd 2018 at 10:25:34 PM

The art itself is at a fine quality, I just REALLY hate how the faces are drawn. Those kinds of faces are supposed to be used as extreme reactions for shock humor, not just how faces look all the time. It just grosses me out.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Nov 23rd 2018 at 11:26:14 AM

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#91146: Nov 23rd 2018 at 11:43:37 PM

I find them very Uncanny Valley in a very bad way. They have the appearance of being melted to the point of looking disturbing.

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#91147: Nov 23rd 2018 at 11:48:47 PM

It's kind of like the Uncanny Valley for me, except the emotion elicited is disgust instead of fear.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#91148: Nov 23rd 2018 at 11:53:42 PM

I've heard that reaction before, though I admit not quite that level of disgust. The faces are deliberately pinched, off-centre, and stylistically flattened by design, for comedic effect. I find people like it better once they've seen a few pages in a row, seeing the characters in "motion" so to speak, because it's very much cartoon-inspired.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91149: Nov 24th 2018 at 12:24:31 AM

I mean, it doesn't really matter now anyway — Erica Henderson stopped illustrating Unbeatable Squirrel Girl after #31 and the artist is now Derek Charm, but still: I love her artwork. (Some more examples of her artwork.)

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#91150: Nov 24th 2018 at 1:08:43 AM

I liked all of those. It's not the artist or the art, it's just the way those faces in particular were drawn that brought out this weird reaction.


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