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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90976: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:10:57 PM

Oh, an I just learned that Ao S yesterday won the Award for best visual effects in a TV show (with over 13 episodes).

F... finally! This was sooooo overdue.

(Frankly after four years of trying to convince everyone that Ao S deserves more attention, this is like a bonanza of good news! It is great to see the show finally getting some of the attention it deserves!)

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#90977: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:15:03 PM

Eh, honestly, while I love Agents, I think Krypton takes the superhero show-cake in terms of most stunning visuals/costumes/effects (yes I know, Sacrilege tongue)

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 16th 2018 at 10:18:14 AM

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VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#90978: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:19:36 PM

While I'm not against the show getting 2 new seasons, I'm personally satisfied with how season 5 concluded the show's mythos up to that point and won't be watching past that.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90979: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:34:28 PM

There is still a cocoon in the ocean (among a few other lose ties).

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90980: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:39:18 PM

I'm rather hoping Ghost Rider jumps the screens because GR is a major high-tier character.

He once took out Galactus.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#90981: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:42:27 PM

In some crappy 90's cartoontongue

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90982: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:43:57 PM

Galactus is still Galactus.

Plus it makes sense, Galactus is still a sentient being with a soul so the Penance Stare can work him.

There's also the time GR could have matched the strongest incarnation of Hulk if he wanted too.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#90983: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:45:51 PM

I agree we another Nick cage as Ghost Rider,accept no one else!

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#90984: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:47:52 PM

Eh no, Gallactus in some crappy 90s cartoon is not the version from the comics, same as that Ghost Rider isn't the same from the Agents show is what I'm sayingwink

Different versions, different rules. Ghost Rider for all his power is mostly confined to earthly matters. He is no cosmic character.

[up]Definitely

Edited by Forenperser on Nov 16th 2018 at 10:51:53 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90985: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:49:00 PM

Well, the one from Ao S could easily just walk into a Doctor Strange movie.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#90986: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:52:48 PM

I'm still kinda bummed they took the Robbie Reyes version. For me, Ghost Rider is not complete without his bike.

A Ghost Rider with a car is just....eh.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90987: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:52:51 PM

The Penance Stare wouldn't work on comics Galactus because Galactus isn't a being capable of remorse. He's a force of nature, pure power cosmic. It'd be like making a hurricane feel remorse for the damage it causes.

However, there's nothing stopping Ghost Rider from affecting cosmic characters in general. His stare doesn't work as intended on Thanos, but not because he's incapable of affecting him: it's because when Thanos is faced with the pain of all of his victims, all he feels is joy.

In that regard, that kind of caveat would work regardless of the power level of the recipient. The stare wouldn't work on someone like, say, the Joker for the same reason.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 16th 2018 at 1:53:14 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90988: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:53:45 PM

They have left the door open for other versions of the Ghost Rider.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90989: Nov 16th 2018 at 1:58:04 PM

[up][up] Ha that’s a cool Thanos moment. [tup] [awesome]

Though I think Galactus could feel sometimes. Well I think during the whole Lifebringer phase.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#90990: Nov 16th 2018 at 2:17:17 PM

In that period it was made explicit that Galactus used to be a being, the last survivor of the prior universe.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 16th 2018 at 2:17:55 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90991: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:05:25 PM

While I'm not against the show getting 2 new seasons, I'm personally satisfied with how season 5 concluded the show's mythos up to that point and won't be watching past that.
Really? I always find it fascinating when a show steps outside of their mytharc to do something different.

In fact, I thought the writers for AOS were originally going to have the endpoint of the show be Season 3. Think about it: the end of the Hive arc basically brings about the finale to almost all the storylines. Ward/Hive is completely dead, Hydra is all gone (until Season 5 that is), and a character sacrificed themselves to prevent the end of the world. If there was no flashforward in the last scene, then everything would have been wrapped up neatly. But I believe they already knew they were renewed for Season 4, so they included the flashforward and then decided to do something completely different for Season 4 (Ghost Rider! Darkhold! Aida!).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90992: Nov 16th 2018 at 4:38:01 PM

Since the show has been on the brink of cancellation, the show had kind of a wrap up for every season. But season 5 went full circle in a lot of ways by addressing story-arcs which were set-up in season 1, finally wrapping them up with a big final boss so to speak. Now the only "bigger" plot point left is the cocoon under the sea and maybe whatever happened to the guy who tried to kill Skye in season 2.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#90994: Nov 16th 2018 at 6:14:36 PM

Perlmutter himself is reportedly not in legal trouble for the alleged exchange. Villanueva didn’t say he communicated directly with Perlmutter, but instead allegedly coordinated with Perlmutter’s assistant, Marisol Garcia, who, Villanueva said, made sure that the industry power player’s renewal application was sent directly to him in order to ensure that it was ultimately approved. The NY Daily News writes, “Perlmutter, whose attorney did not respond to a request for comment, is not alleged to have been a part of a bribery scheme.”

...dangit.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#90995: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:04:11 PM

I finally got around to watching Ant-Man and the Wasp with my son. Laughed my ass off. There are only two things that really bothered me about it.

  1. "Quantum" everything. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's a superhero movie, so I shouldn't expect the science to make sense. But having your main character lampshade the absurdity of it all doesn't stop it from being absurd. Honest Trailers called that out and I'm sure CinemaSins will as well.
  2. No strong villain. Again, not a bad thing, but I kept waiting for a reveal or a twist that never came. Beat the dorky bad guys, beat the girl who isn't really a bad guy by fixing her, Pym's wife is back, everything is happy? Oooookay. Now maybe there's some comic lore that I don't know about, so that Ant-Man 3 will have Janet turn into a supervillain or something, but from the minute she possessed Scott, I was waiting for her to be secretly evil. The film feels like it lacks any real stakes.

I'm ignoring the stinger, of course, because Avengers 4 is going to fix all that, presumably.

Edited by Fighteer on Nov 16th 2018 at 10:06:45 AM

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90996: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:10:49 PM

I think Marvel could stand to have a few more movies that are less “hero vs one big villain” and more “hero vs a lot of things at once / their environment” which would allow a bit more variety in the kind of things they adapt.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#90997: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:25:38 PM

I appreciate that the stakes were lower than usual in AM&W. No galaxy in danger, World War III on the horizon, or anything utilitarnianistically catastrophic like that. Just Janet's life weighed against Ava's life, and the threat of imprisonment for Scott, Hope, and Hank. All very personal stakes.

I feel like Sonny Burch is underappreciated as basically being a Netflix-tier mob boss villain who manages to be a persistent thorn in everyone's sides despite being grossly underpowered and incompetent compared to the heroes or Ava. He anchors the film back into reality instead of letting it drift away in its own little quantum bubble.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90998: Nov 16th 2018 at 7:28:47 PM

I felt that Gost lacked presence (joke intended).

Yeah, yeah she’s got the tragic backstory but it feels like that’s all she had.

She’s sorta just there to plague the heroes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#90999: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:43:28 PM

I kind of feel like the fil mould be more interesting without Ghost. As much as I like the performance, I don't feel like the story needed a villain.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#91000: Nov 16th 2018 at 8:51:05 PM

I don't think Ghost was the villain — I think of Ghost more as the antagonist, but her goal isn't evil at all, it's merely to stop the pain and stop herself from dying. I like that there's really no big villain in AM&TW. I enjoyed the lower stakes, but I also liked Ghost as a character.

I really hope that they bring her back for Thunderbolts in Phase 4 or something.


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