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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Drakon69 The dragon archnerd from greece Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#90926: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:10:01 PM

"Sigh" Why the FUCK cant sony understand that making movies about spidermans rouges gallery without spiderman is a stupid idea

Like are you so desperate sony

Make it with marvel not yourself

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90927: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:13:59 PM

I mean, they just made a fuckton of money with Venom, so I'm pretty sure they can.

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#90928: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:18:38 PM

What's with the reactions, though? Venom was really good. It had a cohesive narrative throughline about impulse control, Tom Hardy's acting was quite solid, if a tad hammy, and it highlighted an aspect of the Venom comics not commonly known, which is that Eddie and the Symbiote are canonically a married couple.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90929: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:21:04 PM

The movies plot was iffy to say the least.

Everything about Riot was weird for one.

I actually saw it with my younger sister who’s a huge MCU buff & we both agreed that Eddie & Venom carry the film entirely on their shoulders.

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#90930: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:27:03 PM

I thought the human villain behind Riot and the girlfriend were pretty okay, but I do agree that Eddie and Venom carry the film.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#90931: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:48:13 PM

they just made a fuckton of money with Venom, so I'm pretty sure they can.

They’re so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they don’t stop to think if they should.

Seriously, I’ll eat a hat if they get this same kind of success with Morbius, because I have reason to believe Venom only got that much money because the masses know him as "Spider-Man’s evil twin." But who, apart from massive comic book aficionados, will know who the hell is Morbius? Because they’ll be drawing blanks more than anything.

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#90932: Nov 14th 2018 at 2:54:21 PM

Venom is a bigger success than Homecoming because movie success isn't measured in subtraction, it's measured in multiplication. This is because all of the profits from the film for investors are measured out in percentages of the film's total gross, which increases as the film makes more and more money.

Venom made back 6.8 times its budget.

Homecoming made back 5 times its budget.

Oh, you're right, that is the weird and tortured logic that investors use.

With regards to Riot: I liked Venom, but I do feel like the film's plot would have made more sense if Drake and Riot were bonded from the start of the movie. The spooky "Riot finds a new host" scenes don't add a lot to the film, and Drake's bizarre choices and moustache-twirling behavior really only make sense if he was trying to bring about the symbiote invasion from the start.

Plus, Drake having been taken over by Riot prior to the film would explain why he's a Villain with Good Publicity despite constantly acting like an inhuman death-bot programmed for maximum dickbaggery.

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#90933: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:03:31 PM

If memory serves, the minimum point for a movie being considered a success is if it makes back 3 times its budget, and the point for a movie to be considered a failure is if it makes back less than 2 times its budget.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90934: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:09:08 PM

Honestly, I don't care either way, the only thing I care about is that Sony doesn't get delusions of grandeur and ends the deal they have with the MCU.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#90935: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:21:43 PM

Would we be happy if Marvel looked at these numbers and decided to let Venom join the MCU?

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#90936: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:27:38 PM

Pfff Venom,bring me Carnage!There's more then one symbiote out there and Venom has been in plenty of films already

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#90937: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:41:29 PM

While it prolly be too much for an MCU movie I would like seeing Peter dealing with Carnage like something out of a horror movie with corpses piled everywhere & running through dark suffocating rooms.

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eligram Since: Sep, 2009 Relationship Status: In denial
#90938: Nov 14th 2018 at 3:49:52 PM

I just thought a way I believe they can save the Morbius movie and Marvel can get something good from it... Make it an introduction to Blade. What do you think?

Edited by eligram on Nov 14th 2018 at 7:50:59 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90939: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:03:23 PM

Jared Leto is one of those actors (along with Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson, and Mark Wahlberg) where I object to them having a career as a matter of principle. But if anything good could come from a Morbius movie, a Blade movie (maybe starring John Boyega?) would be great.

Also, although my preference would be for the MCU to ignore the Venom movie entirely, I had what I think is an interesting thought. Given that Hardy!Venom doesn't have a personal connection to or hatred of Peter, they could use him for a version of that comic storyline (adapted in the 90's animated series) where the Punisher hunted Spider-Man. Venom is just as good as the Punisher when you want to have a Let's You and Him Fight between a Technical Pacifist hero and a Vigilante Man.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#90940: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:23:24 PM

Jared Leto is one of those actors (along with Johnny Depp, Mel Gibson, and Mark Wahlberg) where I object to them having a career as a matter of principle.

Ok. I know what Gibson's done, and I know Depp has been revealed to be something of a prick.

What's your beef with Leto and Wahlberg?

Man, why are so many Hollywood actors suddenly turning out to be assholes? It's getting annoying.

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#90941: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:28:39 PM

He'd need to have a reason to go after Spider-Man, though. Venom's set in Miami. He's not going to just run into Spider-Man at the cornerstore.

Venom gave its protagonist just enough motivation to propel him into conflict with the film's villain, but there's no real indication that he's planning on taking on "The Superhero Gig" as a full-time job. Like, sure, he ate a robber at the end, but that was just 'cause he happened to be in the shop at the time; he made no effort to actually go find the guy. In fact, eating him was plan B; he was first trying to scare him straight, but then seemed to realize how much effort having to track this guy down again would wind up being and decided he didn't care enough.

There's nothing to really suggest that Eddie Brock plans to spend his evenings running around downtown Miami looking for bank robbers to thwart, as opposed to just becoming a Nat 1 on Bystanders. "Congratulations, you picked the wrong day to be starting shit!"

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 5:29:21 AM

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#90942: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:31:30 PM

[up][up]Hollywood actors are still human, and all that entails about assholery and dickcraft.

Sometimes you forget to lock the closet door when they come hunting for skeletons, other times you're just so wealthy and successful that you don't care if they find a few femur bones. What are they gonna do? Stop hiring you to be in movies that make them stacks of money?

As for why it's a recent trend, probably just the the scandals with Weinstein and Cosby blowing open the floodgates and spurring stronger scrutiny than before. It's not as if people suddenly became terrible, it was just more glossed over than before.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Nov 14th 2018 at 7:32:47 AM

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Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90943: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:32:55 PM

@Handsome Robb-

Leto has been extensively rumored to prey on very young women. Although I have to acknowledge that the specific accusation I had in mind when writing my post was actually about James Franco (don't cast him either). Leto also engages in a lot of terrible, harassing behavior toward his co-stars in the name of Method Acting.

As of for Whalberg, from his Wikipedia article:

In June 1986, Wahlberg and three friends chased after three African-American children while yelling "Kill the nigger, kill the nigger" and throwing rocks at them.The next day, Wahlberg and others followed a group of schoolchildren taking a field trip on a beach, yelled racial epithets at them, threw rocks at them and "summoned other white males who joined" in the harassment. In August 1986, civil action was filed against Wahlberg for violating the civil rights of his victims, and the case was later settled the next month.

In April 1988, Wahlberg approached a middle-aged Vietnamese man named Thanh Lam on the street and, using a large wooden stick, bashed him over the head until he was knocked unconscious while calling him a "Vietnam fucking shit". That same day, Wahlberg also attacked a second Vietnamese man named Hoa "Johnny" Trinh, punching him in the eye without provocation. According to court documents regarding these crimes, when Wahlberg was arrested later that night and returned to the scene of the first assault, he stated to police officers: "You don't have to let him identify me, I'll tell you now that's the mother-fucker whose head I split open." Investigators also noted that Wahlberg "made numerous unsolicited racial statements about 'gooks' and 'slant-eyed gooks'".

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He's talked a fair amount about himself being a deliquent when younger and says he's straightened up, but the fact that his actions were motivated by racial hatred makes me very skeptical and relucant to forgive.

Edit- And with Depp specifically, it's the fact that he was a Domestic Abuser. Being an overall jerk is not great either though.

Edited by Hodor2 on Nov 14th 2018 at 6:37:21 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90944: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:36:43 PM

Huh delinquent is an understatement.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90945: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:38:06 PM

What's your beef with Leto and Wahlberg?
Wahlberg, when he was a teen, once attacked a group of African-American children and beat a Vietnamese man so badly he blinded him. Of course, he was a teen at the time, was convicted of aggravated assault, and eventually repented for it, saying that he apologized directly to the man, but that's a hard thing to forgive.

As for Jared Leto, he just seems like someone who takes his work far too seriously. When playing the Joker, he sent his co-actors in Suicide Squad things like dead rats and used condoms.

Edited by alliterator on Nov 14th 2018 at 4:38:56 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90946: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:42:11 PM

https://unshavedmouse.com/2018/11/15/no-resurrections-this-time/

A really, really interesting review of Infinity War...I especially like the parallels drawn to Nolan's Batman.

And no, I don't want this Venom in the MCU. It would feel too disconnected.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#90947: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:43:15 PM

Jared Leto was accused of sexuel assault by several women as I recall

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Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#90948: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:48:58 PM

There's nothing to really suggest that Eddie Brock plans to spend his evenings running around downtown Miami looking for bank robbers to thwart, as opposed to just becoming a Nat 1 on Bystanders. "Congratulations, you picked the wrong day to be starting shit!"

Well I mean, he needs to keep fuel in the tank to survive, might as well nom on bad guys while he's at it. tongue

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#90949: Nov 14th 2018 at 4:59:44 PM

<Read's the Mark Wahlberg stuff>

...

...

...I'm trying to express my feelings on this in a way that won't be taken as a wacky joke. Because I serious want to state how shitty an act that is, and that he shouldn't be forgiven.

He better spend the rest of his fucking life repenting...and not being forgiven. There's no damned excuse for that.

He should burn.

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#90950: Nov 14th 2018 at 5:04:04 PM

Wahlberg, when he was a teen, once attacked a group of African-American children and beat a Vietnamese man so badly he blinded him. Of course, he was a teen at the time, was convicted of aggravated assault, and eventually repented for it, saying that he apologized directly to the man, but that's a hard thing to forgive.

Oh, wow, that's not at all what I dislike Wahlberg for. I didn't even know about that one.

I just knew that time when Kevin Spacey was outed as a sexual predator and the production team for the film "All the Money in the World" asked its actors to come back in and do reshoots to remove the rapist from it.

Wahlberg's team negotiated a $1.5 million payout for the reshoots - again, intended to remove a sexual predator from the movie. Meanwhile, his female costar Michelle Williams was only given a $1,000 per diem. Williams and Wahlberg employ the same agency.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 14th 2018 at 6:04:15 AM

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