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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90602: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:17:25 PM

Is Hazmat still dating that axe-loser?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#90603: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:18:16 PM

@Known Unknown Sorry, that was unclear. After the question about whether he started out in Ant-Man, the rest of that was just a proposal based on the current MCU, not a recap of a specific storyline.

Edited by Unsung on Oct 31st 2018 at 11:19:19 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90604: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:19:02 PM

[up][up]I don't think Hazmat's been seen since the end of Avengers Undercover.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:19:19 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90605: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:20:28 PM

The idea really works for this point in time, too. Even before Infinity War made everything on Earth ten times crazier.

From the governments of the worlds' point of view, the initial Avengers were a failure. Even if they never failed to get the job done eventually, people like Ross want superpowered heroes and agents that they can control. Ones who are going to play ball. So maybe, they want to create their own.

It's the same setup that makes Thunderbolts such a good idea right now too, but kind of a flipside. Rather than a bunch of villains taking advantage of the situation, a kind of coming of age idea with a bunch of young enhanced people being trained to fill the shoes of Tony Stark and Iron Man, amidst villains and veiled bureaucracy and possible corruption, would really work. Especially since the Avengers Academy crew is so likeable.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:23:04 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90606: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:21:39 PM

Hell if something is done with them then they could all come back in the comics.

It might at least bring fucking Mettle back.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90607: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:23:00 PM

But an ensemble idea of a bunch of young enhanced people who want to become heroes and are being trained to fill the shoes of Tony Stark and Iron Man, amidst veiled bureaucracy and possible corruption, would really work. Especially since the Avengers Academy crew is so likeable.
Hmmm. That actually sounds a lot like Avengers: The Initiative, rather than Avengers Academy. (Avengers: The Initiative came about because of Civil War and Avengers Academy is what that became after Dark Reign/Siege — the Academy was originally for students who had been trained/used by Norman Osborn and were in danger of becoming supervillains.)

There are a lot of books that take the premise of "young, teenage superheroes" — New Warriors, Young Avengers, Runaways, Avengers Academy, Champions. After discarding New Warriors and Runaways (both already have shows or pilots at least), I think the MCU might go with Young Avengers as a film and possibly Avengers Academy as a show.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:25:15 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90608: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:25:05 PM

I figure a composite of the ideas would work. Initiative's setup, but Academy's characters and tone. Focusing more on the training and the "new blood" approach to heroism, less on the conscription allegories that surrounded comics Civil War and the occasional child soldier feels.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:28:35 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90609: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:28:10 PM

Especially since I don't think any Intiative characters are popular.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90610: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:31:13 PM

Come to think of it, they could to a complete composite/mashup of a ton of ideas and just call it Young Avengers.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90611: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:34:28 PM

Come to think of it, they could to a complete composite/mashup of a ton of ideas and just call it Young Avengers.
I don't think that would work. Young Avengers has a much bigger fanbase than Avengers Academy did (even if both are dwarfed by the film's fanbase) and YA also was very, very different in terms of plot and tone than AA.

I'm prefer if they did a YA film (using Kate Bishop, Kid Loki, and America Chavez in some way) and an AA show (using any sort of Initiative/Academy combination).

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#90612: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:41:45 PM

I'd love if Taskmaster showed up as a minor villain in multiple, separate movies.

Never actually being the main villain but getting around from franchise to franchise and expanding his repetoire each fight.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#90613: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:47:41 PM

And then in Phase Six when Taskmaster's fought absolutely everyone, they announce that phase's equivalent of Infinity War, Avengers 7: Taskmaster Kills the Marvel Universe.

ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#90614: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:48:39 PM

[up]...By emulating the fighting style and tactics of Frank Castle. Then Avengers 8: Frank Castle kills Taskmaster for the presumption and stealing his alt-universe moment from the comics. tongue

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Oct 31st 2018 at 1:49:44 PM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#90615: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:51:16 PM

Deadpool, Bullseye, and Frankencastle have to team up to stop him and set things back to normal, but not before all four of them fight their way out ofa whole universe of Marvel Zombies.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90616: Oct 31st 2018 at 10:59:46 PM

Having a nebulous pool of minor villains (and supporting characters) who appear against multiple heroes in all sorts of contexts is one of by favorite things the Marvel comics does well that largely haven't been a thing in the MCU mostly, so I'm down with Taskmaster appearing as a sort of multi-franchise Enigmatic Minion.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 11:00:07 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90617: Nov 1st 2018 at 4:10:15 AM

Wow, this discussion run away from me...

so, regarding Marvel TV: Yes, I think a lot of people are too snobbish about it, but even if you think that Marvel TV is too disconnected from the movies, the streaming shows are clearly meant to be closer connected. They feature after all fairly highly prolific characters AND they are created under the umbrella of the movie studio and NOT by Marvel TV.

Regarding Young Avengers vs Avengers Academy: I don't think that it makes a difference. Marvel will just pick whatever title they like better and then do a mix of what they will see as the best storylines and/or characters.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#90618: Nov 1st 2018 at 4:42:45 AM

I'm still hoping for a swashbuckling badass Valkyrie show of her going on adventures, that openly shows her bisexuality as well. While we're at it, throw Lady Sif and Thor's other Sakaar buddies in there as well.

LDragon2 Since: Dec, 2011
#90619: Nov 1st 2018 at 8:37:38 AM

A bit off topic, but in addition to the latest trailer for Smash Bros Ultimate's Adventure Mode feeling like Infinity War, the theme for it almost feels like it could be applied to Avengers 4 in terms of lyrics and how the story seems to be going:

tongue

Edited by LDragon2 on Nov 1st 2018 at 8:37:47 AM

GrigorII Since: Aug, 2011
#90620: Nov 1st 2018 at 10:11:42 AM

Question: When Disney acquired Fox, they got the rights to the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. So far it has been confirmed that the X-Men will eventually join the MCU, without further details. But what about the Fantastic Four? Did someone in Marvel actually confirmed that they will also join the MCU? Just because they can does not mean they will, and from a non-comic book fan and purely business point of view it may be argued that the FF are not worth it, as they flopped in the three films they were featured in.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90621: Nov 1st 2018 at 10:42:04 AM

[up] ????? Nobody has confirmed that the X-men would join the MCU. The only thing which has been confirmed is that all the Marvel properties (and that will naturally include the Fantastic 4) will move under the creative control of Marvel Studios. Whatever Feige will do with them, well, let's wait and see.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#90623: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:16:59 AM

That still doesn't mean they'll join the MCU.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#90624: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:43:08 AM

At this point it's hard to see how the X-Men could join the MCU without a massive retcon or a full reboot.

"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90625: Nov 1st 2018 at 11:50:29 AM

I'd imagine that both the X-Men and the FF will have a full reboot when they finally (inevitably) enter the MCU.


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