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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Given the MCU's typical lack of care for its television series, I can see where the apprehension comes from.
If Sam and Bucky do still continue to be prevalent in the movies and overall universe, it would definitely be an exception. At the very least, it does make it look likely that the Captain America mythos is going to be taking a backseat from the center stage for time being.
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Except there's nothing to "get over." They aren't being demoted or fired. They are, in fact, getting more screentime. It just isn't the type of screentime that some fans want, because they are weirdly snobbish about television/streaming.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:26:36 AM
Why would it? AOS wasn't Fury's show. He wasn't even a recurring character. At best, he made a very rare cameo.
On the flip side, it was Coulson's show. And neither Coulson nor any of the characters or concepts he's explored in that series have ever been reference in any of the movies since.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:34:01 AM
Seriously, is it really necessary to be so combative about this, or so dismissive? Movies and TV are different. They have different strengths, budgets, audiences. Take, for instance, Black Panther — there are certain stories you might not be able to tell in a two-hour runtime, sure, but you also wouldn't have gotten the same level of special effects, that cast, that soundtrack. And sometimes more time isn't better — just look at The Hobbit. Nobody is saying that The Falcon & Bucky Show is going to be bad, but people can still be disappointed that we're probably not going to get Sam Wilson, Captain America up on the big screen for the whole country and world to see. There's room to feel more than one way about it.
Edited by Unsung on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:35:03 AM
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:36:57 AM
I think the only universe I know of that's serious about keeping all of it's content across its various mediums equally relevant is Star Wars (ironically enough, given that the older EU was the codifier for "levels of continuity"), and even in that case there's a strict mandate saying that no two current installments can have concurrent time periods or contexts.
Captain Marvel takes place over a decade before the events of AOS. Which is likewise well before the first Avengers movie, the point where Coulson exited the films' continuity.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:39:48 AM
Seriously, though, if fans are worried about not getting the impact of a Sam Wilson-Captain America movie, I understand that. There's a reason that Black Panther was so huge.
But don't deny that there isn't a segment of the MCU fandom that is incredibly snobbish about all the MCU TV shows. There are fans that think if it isn't a movie, it doesn't matter. Which fails to understand the entire purpose of the MCU and having an entire universe of characters.
Also, like I stated before, the schedule for making a 22 episode network show is vastly different from a 10 episode streaming show.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:41:17 AM
The separation doesn't come from the fans. It comes from Feige. Who runs the MCU, and has been very clear when prodded about it that he doesn't consider the events of the tv shows (or, at least, AOS) as relevant as the plans he makes for the movies.
Please don't try to make this about people disagreeing with you just making up their analysis of the situation simply because they're snobs.
Only if you very rigidly interpret "Coulson is out of the film continuity since his death" as "Coulson must never appear in a film ever again, even if it takes place before his death."
But that's an exaggeration at best, a gross misunderstanding of the reality of the situation at worst. To be honest, as an interpretation it doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Nobody here meant anything close to that.
Coulson can appear in Captain Marvel because it takes place before his death. That's the entire point.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:45:51 AM
Also, using Coulson as an example because he "died" is silly if people are worried about Bucky and Sam. Because, unless they, too, "die" and then come back, it won't be at all a similar situation to Coulson's.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:51:09 AM
I know what I meant because I'm the one who said it. It's not moving the goalposts because you're cherry picked interpretation of what I said was incorrect. This you not understanding what people are trying to say, and not being willing to understand what peopel are trying to say to you, because you'd rather they'd be "snobs" and thus in the wrong.
And this is the last time I'm going to tell you to cut it out. You were already toeing the line at that "snobs" comment, but tf you can't conduct a conversation like a reasonable person, this conversation needs to end.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:51:59 AM
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Knew you were gonna say that & it sorta doesn't count cause it only comes in like several seasons after. Before that she appeared to be an unrelated character.
And of course due to synergy comic-Quake was changed to be more like her new show-self.
Even then I don't like Quake that much so she's not enough of a sell for me.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:53:56 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."You already know what was meant, because it was explained to you.
But that's an exaggeration at best, a gross misunderstanding of the reality of the situation at worst. To be honest, as an interpretation it doesn't make an awful lot of sense. Nobody here meant anything close to that.
Coulson can appear in Captain Marvel because it takes place before his death. That's the entire point.
Your response to this was "nope, that's not it. You actually meant what I say you meant, because it helps me build my argument." Which means nobody is at any requirement to explain further: you've already made it clear you're not willing to listen, and I'm not going to just reclarify my words over and over again to someone who doesn't actually care. Frankly, you don't seem particularly interested in having a conversation.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:58:06 AM
I'd love to see Taskmaster in the Bucky / Sam show. I always thought it was a shame they never brought him up against Captain America in the films. Right now, I think the only person in the films he would work as an antagonist against is probably T'Challa.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 9:57:31 AM
- "Coulson can't be used since his death." Okay, makes sense. Everyone in the Avengers thinks he's dead and he's busy running SHIELD, so it makes sense why he wouldn't be used. But Bucky and Sam are in a different situation — I don't know what's going to happen in A4, but it probably won't end with both of them dying, so they can just as easily reappear in another film.
- "Coulson can't used since his death, because the actor is busy filming the show." Also makes sense and would apply to Bucky and Sam's actors, since they would be filming their show, too. But, as I've also stated, a 10-episode streaming show has a very different schedule than a 22-episode network show — so after they are finished filming the show, they could also easily come back to be in a movie.
- "Coulson can't be used after his death because of the split between the movie and TV division." Well, that's been debunked, since he is being used, even if it's the past version of him.
Are any of these the right interpretations?
Also, I would love to see Bullseye in a Thunderbolts movie. Hell, they wouldn't even have to explain his backstory in DD — just say that he's an ex-FBI agent with incredibly aiming skills and a complete psychopath.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:02:55 AM
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While I can definitely get behind Spidey fighting Taskmaster, I'd also prefer that kind of "merc who's such a good/smart physical combatant that he can endanger Spider-Man" role be taken by one of Spidey's classic enemies, like Kraven.
I've really thought an Avengers Academy movie series would work in the MCU for a while, and if we get - say - Finesse in a film like that, Taskmaster could work as an Anti-Villain Archnemesis Dad in that regard. That and/or maybe him showing up in a Thunderbolts movie.
As I just told you, twice, that conversation is over. Drop it.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:07:00 AM
Didn't Taskmaster start out as an Ant-Man guy? Something about him being Scott Lang's sort-of archrival, except that Taskmaster has no idea who Scott is? Maybe play up his long-term memory loss and have him be an old guy, who fought Hank and Jan back in the Cold War — and now he's back, and they remember him, but he doesn't remember anything.
That, or— kind of wishing there was a Hawkeye movie in the pipeline, because that seems like a pretty good match.
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Funnily enough I'd also like to see Kraven fight T'Challa especially since Kraven would be all about seeing who is the true King of Beasts.
I like the idea of villains appearing in multiple movies.
One movie Tasky fights T'Challa, next movie he fights Ant-Man.
It would sell the mercenary nature & that the world is connected.
Edited by slimcoder on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:12:36 AM
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Taskmaster was always an Avengers villain
, although he has fought single Avengers many times.
Edited by alliterator on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:14:10 AM
Hawkeye's mythos stands out as the Avenger whose group of characters has gone mostly unexplored (with his family being OCs, iirc). Hulk, at least, has the excuse of the Universal deal preventing them from exploring gamma radiation and all the cool and interesting characters that come with it.
Not that Hawkeye has as much mythos as Hulk does on his own, but it'd still be nice to see Trickshot and/or Kate Bishop.
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I think that was Crossfire. Or certain versions of him, at least: that sounds a lot like Earths Mightiest Heroes' backstory for him.
Taskmaster has fought Ant-Man in the past, but I don't think he has any specific animosity towards him.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 31st 2018 at 10:17:25 AM

Dude, is this really necessary? People will get over it, but it will take some time. The news just came out. Let people feel the way the feel about it.