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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#90526: Oct 27th 2018 at 11:12:48 PM

Are there any characters you'd like them to reveal were really Skrulls the whole time?

It might be neat if Happy Hogan turned out to be a Skrull. He's close to a major hero, and in a position to keep an eye on ear on important things that'd make sense for a Skrull, but isn't so well-liked or well-developed a character that many people would scream bloody murder at the twist.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#90527: Oct 27th 2018 at 11:17:49 PM

I kind of suspect General Ross.

Coulson would be the most interesting choice but they're definitely not going to do that.

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#90528: Oct 27th 2018 at 11:41:40 PM

The most fucky twist would be revealing that Tony Stark was a Skrull, and was replaced before Iron Man 1 even happened. Because Skrull's are brain-washed to think they're the original, Skrull-Stark proceeds to have an existential crisis about all of the time he's put in as a superhero defending Earth.

OG Tony Stark comes back out of cryosleep, without any of the character development Skull-Stark has had since then, and he takes over Stark Industries and immediately shifts it back full-force into weapons development to fight the Skrull threat.

Skrull-Stark decides that his experiences as Tony Stark are too formative and important to him, and while he has a home among the Skrulls, he also has a home on Earth as Iron Man. He takes back the company using legal jargon, gives OG Tony a lecture on responsibility and everything he's learned and been through in his life, and gives OG Tony a bachelor pad to live as debaucherously as he wants.

Skrull-Stark comes to terms with his identity and makes a press conference where he talks about how he is both a Skrull and Tony Stark, but most importantly, he's Iron Man.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90529: Oct 28th 2018 at 12:49:32 AM

It's the true lesson of a scrull invasion that the scrull might have been yourself all the time?

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#90530: Oct 28th 2018 at 5:05:30 AM

Coulson is dead remember?

-hears whispers of a TV show-

What TV show? All I know is that Coulson died in the first Avengers film

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#90531: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:21:45 AM

The Coulson who died was a Skrull. The one who came back was not, however.

Yeah, it turns out the real Coulson was in the Triskelion at the time. He slipped on some coffee and took a pratfall down some stairs, so they rushed him to Tahiti. This happens all the time. He can be quite careless, that Coulson.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 28th 2018 at 7:22:20 AM

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#90532: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:30:35 AM

[up] That makes sense.

All that’s been said here makes complete & total sense. tongue

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90533: Oct 28th 2018 at 7:18:04 AM

I actually want them to bring Coulson back next season...and then reveal that he's actually Skrull Coulson and Real Coulson is still dead. And then they just leave Real Coulson dead and we have Skrull Coulson for the rest of the series.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#90534: Oct 28th 2018 at 9:39:04 AM

God, all these comment remind me on how much of a trainwreck Secret Invasion was.

Especially Carol getting off of massacring Skrulls / letting one of the horribly suffocate in space.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 28th 2018 at 5:39:13 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90535: Oct 28th 2018 at 9:42:53 AM

[up] I quite enjoyed the storyline in EMH. Especially the episode in which Cap has to deal with the Aftermath.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#90536: Oct 28th 2018 at 4:51:54 PM

From what I recall, the silliest part of Secret Invasion was the whole "Okay we'll be extremely secretive for the first part and then drop anything even remotely resembling subtlety as we drop super soldiers from our giant spaceships in New York" thing.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90537: Oct 28th 2018 at 5:53:03 PM

The silly part was the fact that they could have said anybody was a Skrull and they went with Hank Pym, Spider-Woman, and...that's it.

The good part about Secret Invasion was that Mockingbird came back to life. Oh and Incredible Hercules's "Sacred Invasion," where the God Squad invaded the Skrull's afterlife and killed the Skrull gods.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 28th 2018 at 5:53:36 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90538: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:01:18 PM

Come to think of it, the Black Widow movie would be a great opportunity to explore some adaptations of the Marvel Universe outside America, since spy movies tend to be of the globetrotting adventure type. Her being a Bond-style series, where each time she travels to a different part of the world to face a different supervillain, would be really cool.

Maybe that thought occurs simply because I just read up on Mad Jim Jaspers and Captain Britain (who is in the MCU, but was around in the 40's and is dead in the present), and I think he would be perfect imo as a Bond-style villain (especially as a precursor to the X-Men characters, since he shouldn't be wrapped up with Fox). Also, I really, really love Alpha Flight, so going up that way would be awesome too.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90539: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:17:23 PM

Maybe that thought occurs simply because I just read up on Mad Jim Jaspers and Captain Britain (who is in the MCU, but was around in the 40's and is dead in the present)
...wait what? Captain Britain has never been referenced in the MCU at all. Are you thinking of Union Jack, who, as Montogomery Falsworth, was a member of the Howling Commandoes in Captain America: The First Avenger?

I would love it if they did a Captain Britain movie or TV show.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 28th 2018 at 6:17:53 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#90540: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:32:48 PM

If you introduce Captain Britain, that raises the question: do you also introduce his sister, Betsy? And, if you do, should she be played by a white or Asian actor?

'Cause what the comics did with Betsy, transforming her from a white lady to a sexy Asian lady, and in the process giving her ninja skills? I really do not see that flying.

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#90541: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:37:02 PM

She was played by Asian-American actress Olivia Munn in X-Men Apocalypse, and was largely well-received.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90542: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:39:53 PM

'Cause what the comics did with Betsy, transforming her from a white lady to a sexy Asian lady, and in the process giving her ninja skills? I really do not see that flying.
The comics recently changed her back to white via...complicated means. But I don't think that will be an issue — even if they make her Asian, there is nothing saying that she can't still be the sister of Brian Braddock. Heck, they could make her half-Asian — I could see that being a good compromise.

She was played by Asian-American actress Olivia Munn in X-Men Apocalypse, and was largely well-received.
Eh. The biggest complaints with her were about the fact that her character had nothing to do and was almost literally one note. She was Psylocke in appearance and powers, but that was pretty much it.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 28th 2018 at 6:40:55 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90543: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:42:24 PM

Another possibility for Widow is for her to go up against one of the bajillion SHIELD agents to go bad throughout Marvel history, like Mentallo & Fixer.

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#90544: Oct 28th 2018 at 6:50:30 PM

Do the Fox method no explanation for Psylocke's race.

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#90545: Oct 28th 2018 at 7:51:32 PM

Maybe that thought occurs simply because I just read up on Mad Jim Jaspers and Captain Britain

Is that because I mentioned the former in the Soul Calibur thread today?

Either way, Mad Jim Jaspers is the best and I wonder if the MCU will ever be able to work up to him. I just want to see them somehow make Mad Jim Jaspers vs. the Fury in live-action. I don't care how we get to that, as long as we do somehow. tongue

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Oct 28th 2018 at 10:54:26 AM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#90546: Oct 28th 2018 at 7:54:42 PM

There's no mention of Brian Braddock to connect him to Betsy in the Fox X-Men universe as far as I can tell.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90547: Oct 28th 2018 at 9:06:19 PM

[up][up] Yup! evil grin

Looking at his history, he's such a perfect lead-in to a mutant-esque situation without actually having to use mutants that I'm actually kind of surprised Marvel Studios hasn't used him yet (the comics eventually threw him up against X-Men heroes for that reason, but he's not an X-Men character). Now that we might end up getting mutants after all, it works even better, because he's a villain whose stakes hit harder if there are a lot of potential victims for his schemes.

The whole idea of a powerful foreign politician who discovers he can warp reality, so decides to create a superweapon to preemptively eradicate other superhumans on the planet (so, The Heavy), so the world will be at his mercy when he activates his other superweapon so supercharge his powers and superwarp everyone and everything in creation under his control, is such a James Bond thing that it'd be perfect for a spy-style Black Widow flick.

Another good villain for a James Bond-style story is Moses Magnum (I have an earthquake machine that will destroy whole countries! Send me all your moneys, or I will unleash it upon Japan, and then the world!), but I kinda hope they save him for a future Black Panther film.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 28th 2018 at 9:10:17 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#90548: Oct 28th 2018 at 9:22:21 PM

Moses also fought the X-Men as I understand.

I have those issues where that went down. In fact, for years I thought he was supposed to be one.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90549: Oct 28th 2018 at 10:42:49 PM

Moses is one of Marvel's many "everyone" villains. He doesn't really have a specific hero or group he's attached to.

In fact, even though he's put up against Black Panther a lot in adaptations (likely because they're both African, even though they're from entirely different parts of the continent), iirc he's barely ever fought T'Challa in the comics. Not that I wouldn't want him to keep being used that way regardless.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 28th 2018 at 10:49:21 AM


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