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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#90501: Oct 25th 2018 at 1:02:28 PM

Then it turns out that there are Skrulls infiltrating Hydra infiltrating Shield who are actually lizard people who are actually Jews. The general public is both confused and outraged at the antisemitism in the MCU and the bizarre way it was implemented.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 25th 2018 at 1:03:04 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90502: Oct 25th 2018 at 4:46:57 PM

Then it turns out that all the conspiracy theorists are themselves lizard people and were only spreading the rumors so that people wouldn't believe them.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#90503: Oct 25th 2018 at 5:28:13 PM

....yikes. Wtf. Could we... not do anti Semitism?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90504: Oct 25th 2018 at 5:31:55 PM

I mean, I thought we were making fun of antisemitism, but sure. (I'm Jewish, if that helps.)

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#90505: Oct 25th 2018 at 6:59:20 PM

I'm Jewish, too. I think it's clear that antisemitism is bad, I just think it would be funny if the MCU suddenly got crazy antisemetic out of nowhere in a really convoluted manner.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90506: Oct 25th 2018 at 7:03:47 PM

To be fair, Jon Ronson also did an entire report on David Icke and his belief in lizard people and if "lizard people" was just a metaphor for "Jews." His outcome was "Well, when David Icke says 'lizard people,' he actually means 'lizard people.'"

Guy01 Since: Mar, 2015
#90507: Oct 25th 2018 at 8:53:25 PM

Well anyway, here's some Captain America fights: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UlOinnu6fS0

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Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#90508: Oct 26th 2018 at 4:52:10 AM

This is one of those occasions where potholing to joking mode/Sarcasm mode isn't such a bad idea

Anyway,something I've wondered about,since Marvel and DC both have a character named "Enchantress" and DC already put out a film with their Enchantress,would Marvel have alter her name somewhat so people don't think of the DC character?

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#90509: Oct 26th 2018 at 5:03:55 AM

I mean, DC have to refer to their Captain Marvel as Shazam, so it feels right to return the favor. Besides, how many times do they call each other by their hero/villain names?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#90510: Oct 26th 2018 at 5:14:25 AM

[up][up]They could just call her Amora which is her real name anyway. Most Thor characters aren't using code names. Amora doesn't have to be shelved just because she goes by Enchantress some times because Enchantress isn't her real name.

Edited by windleopard on Oct 26th 2018 at 5:15:46 AM

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#90511: Oct 26th 2018 at 7:17:16 AM

Comic-Book Movies Don't Use Codenames so Amora's fine. If they used her, they might throw in some line calling her a wicked enchantress and then never speak the name again.

The MCU has been better about actually letting the names be a thing than other media, but they still don't use them that often. You're more likely to hear Tony Stark addressed as "Tony" or "Stark" than "Iron Man". "Captain Rogers" or "Steve" is used more frequently than "Captain America" unless someone's specifically talking about him as an icon.

"Spider-Man" gets used a lot because nobody knows what else to call him apart from Tony. But even then, we have "the vulture guy", Adrian Toomes.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 26th 2018 at 8:20:45 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90512: Oct 26th 2018 at 9:38:10 AM

Since it looks like it's trying to be the most traditional, bombastic superhero series of the MCU, I figure we'll get more outright codenames in Spider-Man. Mysterio, especially, is a character who has to go by his codename, because that sort of overdramatic mystique is part of his deal.

For everyone, else, it's kind of 50/50. As noted, everyone has a reason for being called the codenames they have, if and when the series wants to use them: "the Black Panther" is the official title of the protector of Wakanda, "the Hulk" is used to distance the monster from the man - and becomes more apt when he develops his own personality, the gag of Peter trying to force Star-Lord as his outlaw name only for everyone to think it's stupid (though, to an extent, end up doing it anyway), etc.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90514: Oct 26th 2018 at 10:10:14 AM

Makes sense, since they both have directors attached. And it also makes things pretty interesting, since both films are being directed by female directors — Cate Shortland for Black Widow and Chloé Zhao for The Eternals.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 26th 2018 at 10:11:04 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90515: Oct 26th 2018 at 10:12:14 AM

I really want to know who the villain of Black Widow is going to be. That's going to say a lot about what kind of story it'll have.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90516: Oct 26th 2018 at 10:14:37 AM

I somehow thought that this was already half-confirmed...I mean, those are the movies we know are currently in production, right?

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#90517: Oct 26th 2018 at 10:39:09 AM

[up][up]It's a first movie, so obviously she has to fight Yelena Belova, per MCU tradition.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90518: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:15:29 AM

But it's not the first movie she has been in, so will that rule still apply?

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#90519: Oct 26th 2018 at 11:29:59 AM

Black Panther first appeared in Captain America: Civil War but still had to fight Evil Black Panther for his first solo outing.

Calling it: Black Widow's movie will be a prequel story about the Red Room and how she joined S.H.I.E.L.D. The villain will be the Red Room's star pupil, Yelena Belova.

Either that, or it won't be a prequel and the villain will still be the Red Room's star pupil, Yelena Belova. Nat gets tapped to take her down because she knows how to think like a Black Widow.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 26th 2018 at 12:32:20 PM

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#90520: Oct 26th 2018 at 4:30:04 PM

Kevin Feige confirms that Guardians 3 is on hold, and that we’ll see the Avengers 4 trailer by the end of the year.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 26th 2018 at 4:30:43 AM

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90521: Oct 26th 2018 at 5:04:34 PM

Drax is way better at being invisible than anyone anticipated.

RE my comment on the Skrulls, wanted to elaborate on two things:

So one is that because of the similarity of the premise to various conspiracy theories, including anti-Semitic ones, I hope they get a somewhat sympathetic presentation, including some outright heroic Skrulls down the line. In particular Hulkling, who happens to be a Jewish Skrull.

It's kind of the same concern I have with the likelihood of the next Black Panther movie doing the "Achebe/evil refugees" plotline. But I'm optimistic with the Skrulls in part because except for Carol herself and possibly Jude Law, everyone else on her "Skrull hunting squad" is a super-villain.

But in terms of Skrull infiltrators and Hydra, I kind of don't think they would necessarily be working together. It kind of depends on whether the Skrulls want to conquer Earth or exterminate humanity, but if it's conquest, I'd figure that they'd prefer to be the only ones to take over the world and would have an easier time if things were otherwise running smoothly. It's the same reason why I'd figure that Skrulls in SHIELD would likely help fend of the Cithauri and Thanos.

ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#90522: Oct 27th 2018 at 4:03:13 PM

I doubt the Skrulls will be all that sympathetic.

But at least one of the Skrulls is gonna be Australian. People like Australians, right?

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#90523: Oct 27th 2018 at 7:28:01 PM

Shapeshiftin's a pretty good job, mate.

Outdoors, hard work, and I can guarantee you won't go hungry. 'Cause as long as there are two people left on the planet, someone's a Skrull trickin' someone else.

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#90524: Oct 27th 2018 at 7:33:14 PM

Aren't we all a Skrull tricking someone else sometimes?

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#90525: Oct 27th 2018 at 8:00:53 PM

Just remember the moral of Secret Invasion:

The true Skrull Infiltrator was within you all along.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 27th 2018 at 9:01:07 AM

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