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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90476: Oct 24th 2018 at 9:28:15 AM

I thought Centipedes grew out of AIM and was used by Garret for his own goals.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90477: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:04:52 AM

No, Centipede was a group formed by Garrett, who was Hydra. It took technologies that AIM created (like the Extremis serum), but it was never a part of AIM.

Edited by alliterator on Oct 24th 2018 at 10:05:24 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90478: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:21:11 AM

I stand corrected.

Frankly, if there is something I would like to see from the Ironman movies again, it's Justin Hammer.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90479: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:32:45 PM

I think people confuse Centipede with AIM because they’re a lot more like comics AIM than the canon MCU AIM. And also because at that point people were still presuming AOS would be doing more adaptation than it ultimately ended up doing.

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#90480: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:38:37 PM

Oh and don't forget the Council of Nine aka the MCU's version of the Secret Empire. The MCU really has a thing for ancient, secretive organizations (see also: The Hand and the 10 Rings)

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#90481: Oct 24th 2018 at 1:45:35 PM

[up][up] Well, that and they are basically using a version of the AIM stuff.

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#90482: Oct 24th 2018 at 5:52:13 PM

This is pretty cool. The video shows where various MCU movie moments took place in New York City.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 24th 2018 at 5:53:02 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90483: Oct 24th 2018 at 8:06:56 PM

[up][up][up] Amusingly, between the tv shows and the movies, there's no less than five completely distinct secret evil organizations covertly directing the course of human history for their own ends in the Modern Era, most completely or at least predominantly unaware of the others.

  • HYDRA
  • "Original" HYDRA (the Hive worshippers)
  • The Hand
  • The Inhumans (Jiaying's group)
  • The Kree and/or the Skrulls

HYDRA and the Hand are the funniest example, because they were basically doing the same thing yet were evidently completely unaware of each others' existences.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 24th 2018 at 8:18:08 AM

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#90484: Oct 24th 2018 at 8:38:46 PM

But the important question is: are there Skrulls impersonating HYDRA agents who are themselves impersonating SHIELD personnel? Do we have a Flock of Wolves scenario going on?

Edited by Fighteer on Oct 24th 2018 at 11:39:18 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90485: Oct 24th 2018 at 9:11:04 PM

Everybody is Anal Skrulls which are actually the Beyond Corporation.

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#90486: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:03:12 PM

I stand by my opinion that AIM (and by extension, MODOK) would have been excellent villains for the Ant-Man cast.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90487: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:08:15 PM

Perhaps for the third film. For Ant-Man and the Wasp, I really liked Ghost.

Speaking of the third Ant-Man film, what do you guys think it will be called?

Edited by alliterator on Oct 24th 2018 at 10:09:41 AM

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#90488: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:19:28 PM

Ant-Man & the Wasp & Knuckles

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#90489: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:24:04 PM

Ant-Man & Ant-Man & The Wasp & The Wasp & Stature & Ghost & Goliath. Get the whole Ant-Family together. And then they fight Taskmaster.

Edited by Unsung on Oct 24th 2018 at 11:37:37 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#90490: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:29:37 PM

Now that Janet's back, and they've had Hank shrink again, it seems only natural the sequel would be called Ant-Men & Wasps.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90491: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:31:14 PM

Oh, I like that if we're getting two Ant-Men and two Wasps, we could call it Ant-Man and the Wasp Squared.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90492: Oct 24th 2018 at 10:55:04 PM

While I don't want him as the main villain or anything (maybe as an opening villain like Crossbones or a subplot villain like the guy from Ant-Man and the Wasp), I really want to see Whirlwind in the next Ant-Man. He's basically Jan's archenemy, and it'd be fun to have an aging, old man supervillain come out of retirement to settle an old score now that she's back.

Especially if, in keeping with both how Wasp vs Whirlwind tends to go and the tone of the Ant-Man movies in general, the "old score" is presented as kind of petty and juvenile. Kind of a "bombastic Silver Age throwback played for both awesomeness and laughs at once."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 24th 2018 at 11:01:09 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#90493: Oct 24th 2018 at 11:47:56 PM

Clearly, the best villain for Ant-Men & Wasps should be Swarm. A Nazi made of bees.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90494: Oct 25th 2018 at 12:29:07 AM

We should have the bad guy be AIM making supervillains — like Whirlwind and Swarm. That seems like something they would do.

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#90495: Oct 25th 2018 at 6:54:58 AM

Just saying, but Taskmaster would be great to go against Cap, Black Widow or any badass normal, just for the level threat of facing someone who can copy all their tricks and has many more hidden.

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#90496: Oct 25th 2018 at 7:00:03 AM

But the important question is: are there Skrulls impersonating HYDRA agents who are themselves impersonating SHIELD personnel? Do we have a Flock of Wolves scenario going on?

I still want an accidental friendly fire scenario where S.H.I.E.L.D. Skrulls do battle with Hydra Skrulls because neither side realizes that the others are Skrull imposters.

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#90497: Oct 25th 2018 at 7:01:41 AM

And then it turns out they're all Doombots

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#90498: Oct 25th 2018 at 7:29:07 AM

[up][up]Or a skrull infiltrating hydra who infiltrate shild and actually forgeting what was supose to infiltrate in the first place.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90499: Oct 25th 2018 at 8:03:43 AM

  • HYDRA Agent: "I've done it! I've finally acquired SHIELD's secret intel, which will allow us to position Dell Rusk as president of the united states! HYDRA will rule this world!"
  • Veranke: "What in Kly'bn's name are you talking about?"
  • HYDRA Agent (actually a Skrull): "Wait... I think I'm confused."

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90500: Oct 25th 2018 at 8:14:11 AM

Partly because of Secret Empire, I've had this idea for both movies and comics of exploring an explicitly Equal-Opportunity Evil Nebulous Evil Organization that's basically made up of people who either wouldn't work for Hydra or when they realized they were working for them, they didn't like the Nazi part but did like the money and world domination part.

So like in the comics, I had the idea of the Sons of the Serpent, who are basically Klansmen with a snake motif, facing off against the Serpent Society, who are a quite diverse also snake-themed group.

And in the MCU, I think this would be a good way to reintroduce AIM lead by Monica Rappaccini and/or the Serpent Society, with Viper as a prominent member. Kind of thought she could be a supporting character and love interest to Captain Falcon.

Edit- And more on topic, I do like the idea of Hydra and the Skrulls facing off against each other with a nutual dose of Unknown Rival and Flock of Wolves. I guess in part because of the similarity of the Skrull's premise to conspiracy theories about evil Jews and/or reptiles. So it makes sense that they would be opposed to Hydra.

Edited by Hodor2 on Oct 25th 2018 at 10:17:06 AM


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