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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

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#90301: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:10:53 PM

Maybe it means Gamora will get to do something other than roll her eyes at the boys' antics, try to convince them to play nice with each other, and clean up after them when they inevitably don't.

So sick of her getting stuck with being the Straight Man. Gamora deserves a chance to cut loose and be the Deadliest Woman in the Galaxy. Drinking hard, fighting hard, and giving zero f*cks what you think about it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:12:59 AM

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#90303: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:36:46 PM

Fucking hell.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#90304: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:36:55 PM

Okay that’s it, we are definitly getting a Heroes for Hire Show.

[up][up][up] I’d also like to see Drax actually live up to being The Destroyer.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:37:26 AM

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#90305: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:36:59 PM

So, Luke is just going to be a crime boss forever?

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#90306: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:46:34 PM

I really do hope that they make a Heroes for Hire show now and put it on Disney streaming. Or perhaps make a Luke Cage movie that would wrap up all "Luke Cage is now the Sheriff of Harlem" storyline before transitioning into Heroes for Hire.

But damn, I thought Luke Cage was one of Netflix's big winners. I guess they just really didn't like the Season 3 scripts they were getting, which is weird, considering how well received Season 2 was.

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#90307: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:49:48 PM

Some people I've talked think that it might have been a money issue.

Like, someone indispensable to the show wanted a bigger paycheck, and the execs said no.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Oct 19th 2018 at 10:50:19 AM

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#90308: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:50:31 PM

Cancelling Iron Fist after a successful second season could have made sense if, despite its improved quality, it simply didn't have many viewers thanks to the first season getting poor reviews.

But cancelling Luke Cage after two successful seasons makes no sense unless they're planning something with the properties. Whether that's a Heroes for Hire show or just moving both shows to Disney's own streaming service remains to be seen, but either way it's irksome.

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#90309: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:52:10 PM

Considering the time frames for both of these canceling, I definitely think this is leading into a Heroes for Hire show.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 19th 2018 at 7:52:27 AM

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#90310: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:54:23 PM

So sick of her getting stuck with being the Straight Man. Gamora deserves a chance to cut loose and be the Deadliest Woman in the Galaxy. Drinking hard, fighting hard, and giving zero f*cks what you think about it.

That's Valkyrie, not Gamora. You want her to be a completely different character. Personally, I love the Gamora we have just fine.

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#90311: Oct 19th 2018 at 7:59:33 PM

I should mention that they're not ONLY looking at female directors, it's just the ones getting the closest attention are female.

And yes, I've already seen people crying sexism about this. It's a funny world we live in

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#90312: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:00:43 PM

Luke Cage as Kingpin was short lived.

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#90313: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:05:10 PM

I really do hope that Heroes for Hire show actually becomes a thing and Luke isn't just discarded altogether like that. At least The Punisher lives to fight another day.

Also, I'm absolutely down for Gamora and Valkyrie meeting up. I hope Val's been doing alright. She's probably just out drinking...and also probably saw half the bar she was in disintegrate.

On that note, for the hell of it I'm willing to bet Korg was dusted but Miek survived.

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#90314: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:27:46 PM

That's Valkyrie, not Gamora. You want her to be a completely different character. Personally, I love the Gamora we have just fine.

Yes. Yes, I do. I want her to be the terrifying badass from the comics, instead of having her personality watered down to be the team's mom. I hated James Gunn's limp-wristed Gamora. This is supposed to be a woman who will pull your spine out through your throat if you so much as look at her funny. Someone whose bloodlust sometimes does more harm than good when she puts winning a fight over accomplishing a mission.

This is who Gamora is supposed to be.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:38:27 AM

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#90315: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:34:00 PM

Yeah, and Groot isn't a Card-Carrying Villain. The characters are different in the MCU. MCU Gamora is plenty badass already, and Valkyrie already has that character archetype covered.

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#90316: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:37:18 PM

[up][up](Psst, it's James Gunn. Not Peter Gunn.)

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#90317: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:38:07 PM

The MCU's Groot is heavily based on the post-Annihilation version of the character, after he lost his linguistic abilities and became capable only of saying the words "I am Groot" while simultaneously bonding with Rocket Raccoon.

He hasn't been a Card-Carrying Villain in a long time.

The MCU's Gamora, meanwhile, is based on the sexist idea that women have to be caregivers first and foremost.

[up] >.< Goddammit, I keep doing that. Fixed.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:39:34 AM

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#90318: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:39:39 PM

I once read an arc of Guardians where they got locked in a space station that was at threat of Skrulls so Drax went on his own and built a device that fired everyone’s minds on the station without anyone noticing.

He ended up being the one who found the Skrulls.

I admit I would like to see such levels of competence from Drautista.

[up][up][up] Uhhhh Valkyrie is nothing like comics-Gamora to my recollection. She’s a drunken slob & a loser. I don’t think Gamora’s ever been that pathetic.

[down] Late to the party homie.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:42:08 AM

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#90319: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:41:42 PM

Bad news. Apparently Netflix Luke Cage just got canceled: https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/luke-cage-canceled-1202987278/

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?
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#90320: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:42:43 PM

There has been nothing to convince me Gamora and Drax are anything but Badass Normal aside from the time she picked up that big gun.

I feel like, in the MCU, Steve Rogers could absolutely belt the shit out of 3/4s of the Guardians of the Galaxy by himself. Throw a shield at Quill to knock him out, bounce it off his skull and kick it at Drax to make him trip over his own feet into a pile of giant alien feces, have a proper fight with Gamora, beat her, and then punt Rocket over the horizon like Charlie Brown finally kicking that goddamn football.

Edited by SonOfSharknado on Oct 19th 2018 at 11:43:06 AM

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#90321: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:43:04 PM

Not all the adaptational changes work equally well, and Gamora and Mantis get damseled pretty hard, it must be said.

It's not like Marvel cares about checking the "snarky tech-savvy hero" box many times over, I don't see why "Valkyrie's got it covered" should be an excuse.

[up][up]Saw that further up the page. It sucks. Honestly, even if they really are planning on doing Heroes For Hire, it still kind of sucks.

Edited by Unsung on Oct 19th 2018 at 9:45:45 AM

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#90322: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:44:08 PM

FUN FACT: In the comics, it has been suggested that Quill and Gamora once had a thing. It was short-lived because she's violently aggressive and bruised his sensitive man parts. He tried to warn Tony Stark away from her to no avail.

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#90323: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:46:17 PM

Like Valkyrie’s establishing character moment is to fall off of her ship’s runway in drunken stupor in a purposely failed attempt at a badass walk.

It shows that while she is competent she’s also not very put together to say the least.

Gamora is more cold & sober in comparison.

[up] As I recall the only guy she’s actually into is Richard Ryder.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 19th 2018 at 8:47:05 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90324: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:46:43 PM

Yeah, Gamora had more of a thing with Nova. Or Adam Warlock.

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#90325: Oct 19th 2018 at 8:47:20 PM

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure her and Richard Rider were a proper thing. Because Nova is a bad motherfucker.

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