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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#90251: Oct 14th 2018 at 12:03:33 PM

[up]I like to imagine that red skull came to hate Wagner by how many people hear it in germany and thinking how good is going to be when he blast the damn thing with the tesseract.

And I kinda imagine black widow like ballet...but only when she does alone with anyone see it, a thing that is her alone.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90252: Oct 14th 2018 at 12:21:50 PM

[up] Well, he was listening to it in his movie….

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#90253: Oct 14th 2018 at 1:56:36 PM

Nah, nah, Peter likes britpop for sure. He blasts the Smiths and Manic Street Preachers while swinging home.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#90254: Oct 14th 2018 at 2:03:45 PM

At least one of the Avengers likes K pop

it's Vision

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#90255: Oct 14th 2018 at 2:05:44 PM

"he was listening to it in his movie…." probably because he was forced too.

And of course Bucky will hear nothing but all chessy 50 songs, it fit him rather well.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90256: Oct 14th 2018 at 2:11:44 PM

Why 50?

Damn, now I want "This, you protect"-Bucky to discover music and his thoughts about it....Not as much as I want him to watch the whole Disney canon, though.

MedusaStone Since: Jan, 2015
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#90258: Oct 14th 2018 at 2:20:25 PM

I feel like if we get Kamala Khan then she’ll be listening to J-pop/K-pop songs.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90259: Oct 14th 2018 at 3:10:57 PM

[up][up] Forgot about that one…

I wish the one about the Disney movies would update again. I just can't wait to his reaction to Bambi after he was already so wound up about Dumbo.

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90260: Oct 14th 2018 at 4:48:00 PM

Re the music discussion, this reminded me of this thing I realized with Steve's musical preferences (tl; dr, he really likes African American musicians):

So in Winter Soldier, Steve is listening to a jazz album (forget who wrote it- Coltrane?) and it's something that he bonds over with Fury. And he also seems to be very receptive to Sam's suggestion of Marvin Gaye.

And via what I guess I'd call transitive property, Sousa in Agent Carter is also instructive, since he's basically what Steve would be like without super-powers. We learn that he likes to go to "colored" clubs to listen to music and I think he's supposed to be understood as something of an (OG) hipster.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90261: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:01:33 PM

lol...I have a hard time to see Sousa of all people as a hipster, but yeah. They have to be to be as open minded in this period.

This reminds me of a fanfic in which Bruce approaches Steve over his "racism". Basically he uses the word "Negro", brags all about going to the cinema with "his Negro friend" (Sam) aso. Turns out though, that Cap is actually not racist at all, he is just excited about finally being able to go where ever he wants with whoever he wants without having to worry about any "no blacks" rules, and he actually uses the word Negro because back in his day there was apparently a movement to reclaim the word in a positive context and he is/was a big reader of civil rights related publications. He ends up schooling Bruce in black history.

Anyway I can actually see Steve reading and liking especially the more underground stuff...he is an artist after all.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90262: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:06:14 PM

[up] "Bruce, I am what the kids these days call...'woke'."

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90263: Oct 14th 2018 at 11:59:34 PM

Re the music discussion, this reminded me of this thing I realized with Steve's musical preferences (tl; dr, he really likes African American musicians):

So in Winter Soldier, Steve is listening to a jazz album (forget who wrote it- Coltrane?) and it's something that he bonds over with Fury. And he also seems to be very receptive to Sam's suggestion of Marvin Gaye.

If you're thinking of the track that plays when Fury is in Steve's apartment, it was Harry James, who was white.

I wouldn't be surprised if Steve did listen to Coltrane, though. In fact, that whole era of jazz slowly melding into funk/soul would be thematically right up his alley - especially post Winter Soldier. Lots of soul searching, often politically minded, semi-spiritual figures

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 15th 2018 at 12:03:50 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90264: Oct 15th 2018 at 12:12:59 AM

Frankly, I always love stories in which Steve is a little sh... who uses the perception other people have of Captain America in order to troll them. Like asking Tony what "x word" he stumbles over on the internet means, cheating at poker, doing his best "awww shucks" impression...

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#90265: Oct 16th 2018 at 2:38:30 PM

That opening shot right after the beginning viewer comments had me scared for a bit.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90266: Oct 16th 2018 at 2:42:48 PM

I never noticed the city in the Microverse before.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#90267: Oct 18th 2018 at 7:44:20 AM

"Why 50?" Because I feel bucky will come over and over to adapt to the modern world....on the other hand it seen bucky adapt way better than steve because of it, funny about it.

Actually, considering how many mission hydra use it, I imagine steve teaching him about famous revolucionary figures and bucky saying he kill some of them, leading to and awkard silence.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#90268: Oct 18th 2018 at 8:53:21 AM

https://pursuenews.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-vol-3-production-pushed-to-2021-working-title-revealed/

So Guardians of the Galaxy 3 production has been moved all the way back to 2021, which means it wouldn't come out until 2022.

This doesn't bode well IMO. By this time, despite them promising to use James Gunn's script, it will have been butchered all to hell by rewrites. This was meant to be the set-up for the future of the cosmic universe, but they're already doing The Eternals, so obvs. the whole story of the movie will be changed. There's a good chance the Guardians' story in Avengers 4 will be altered as well because of this. And who knows if the cast will want to stick around that long to do a project they don't even really want to do?

But I could be wrong. Thoughts?

Edited by MrHellboy on Oct 18th 2018 at 11:23:08 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90270: Oct 18th 2018 at 9:26:05 AM

[up][up] I rather have them take their time than rushing into it. Part of the delay will also be simply because the actors aren't available earlier. They are all pretty busy after all.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90271: Oct 18th 2018 at 9:26:12 AM

It's a bit late to alter the Guardians' role in Avengers 4 in a very significant way, given that they're already wrapping up at this point. I could see them doing a few small reshoots or something, but they're absolutely not delaying Avengers 4 - there's too much money in it.

[up] Also that. Delays are to be expected, even encouraged, in situations with huge upheavals like this.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 18th 2018 at 9:26:49 AM

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#90272: Oct 18th 2018 at 10:09:57 AM

Well, I figure they would have just done the reshoots to change the Guardians' story during the regular reshoots, alongside all the others.

You're right about the delay though, probably a good idea.

This would, for instance, give Dave Bautista a chance to do one last run with the WWE like he wanted. It's still iffy on whether or not he'll even come back though

The hardest thing in this world is to live in it.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90273: Oct 18th 2018 at 10:15:15 AM

There was simply no way to start shooting as planned, and the moment they had to delay, they needed a new time when all the actors are available. It is not surprising that this won't be before 2021. And who knows...until then, everyone will have calmed down a little bit.

MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
The Shadow
#90274: Oct 18th 2018 at 11:08:29 AM

Just what I was thinking. This may turn out to be a bit of good luck

We will have to wait and see though. At this point, anything can happen

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#90275: Oct 18th 2018 at 11:30:59 AM

Idle thought: You know what the best reason for Cap to die in Avengers 4 is? The legacy.

I want Captain America 4 to be a buddy cop movie about Sam and Bucky learning to tolerate each other to carry on Steve's mission.

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