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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#90101: Oct 9th 2018 at 3:50:12 PM

[up][up][up] Yeah, no-compete contracts are virtually unheard of in Hollywood as far as actors go. You probably aren't going to have an actor playing a major role in both the MCU and DCEU in practice, but that has more to do with the high potential for scheduling conflicts and studios just wanting to keep their branding separate (even though no contract anywhere actually enforces it) then anything else.

Chris Pratt playing both Star-Lord and the lead in the Jurassic World series (which is produced by Universal instead of Disney) is probably a bigger deal on the studio level then Dave Batista potentially having supporting roles in both the DCEU and MCU.

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#90102: Oct 9th 2018 at 3:55:32 PM

Groot is very replaceable, in that he's the only Guardian who's actually been replaced so far. He was just only replaceable by his son.

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#90103: Oct 9th 2018 at 4:58:40 PM

Yeah, I think a lot of people (myself included) might have overreacted.

This doesn't necessarily mean he's leaving the role of Drax, or that he will even end up getting a part in the movie. Not that there aren't plenty of examples of MCU actors doing DCEU projects, or vice versa (Laurence Fishburne, Djimon Hounsou and Randall Park).

Bautista has 2 days of reshoots left for Avengers 4, so I guess we'll find out any day now

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
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#90104: Oct 9th 2018 at 5:22:52 PM

Well this is certainly something. I probably still won't care all that much in the long run since I'm nowhere near as invested in the DCEU and Gunn's made a few writing decisions that I disagree with, but better him than David Ayer I guess.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#90105: Oct 9th 2018 at 5:41:21 PM

Sony wants Spider-man to be in the Kraven the Hunter film. source

Hodor2 Since: Jan, 2015
#90106: Oct 9th 2018 at 6:50:26 PM

Good news is that Bautista will make a fabulous Bane.

Bad news is that the future of the GOTG is really in trouble.

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#90107: Oct 9th 2018 at 6:53:22 PM

As noted, there's no indication that Bautista's leaving.

That said, I don't really think it would affect the franchise much if he did. His character is the comedic relief in a film where every other member of the cast is a wacky and eccentric personality anyways.

Guardians 2 completely overhauled his entire shtick and replaced his personality traits wholesale, and half of the audience didn't even notice. He's not exactly the face of the franchise.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#90108: Oct 9th 2018 at 7:28:02 PM

[up]Specially since they already face thanos, it wont be weird to just off Drax right now, specially they will deal with thanos in Avenger 4.

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#90109: Oct 9th 2018 at 7:44:08 PM

Drax is more than just the comic relief. He had some fantastic scenes in both Guardians films, and his personality is very well-defined. Drax is the Team Dad of the Guardians and forever obsessed with revenge, and he can connect to the other Guardians using his experience as a father.

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#90110: Oct 9th 2018 at 7:47:04 PM

[up]Maybe but the object of is revenge will be deal after avenger 4 so is narrative will be done by then, I think Drax should just retire and be happy after that.

I mean, I just want a hero who honestly, truth to god retire and that it, the whole "fight until you die" mentality seen just toxic for me.

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#90111: Oct 9th 2018 at 7:47:54 PM

Not really, no. He's more of a parody of the Team Dad role. His efforts to connect with the others are typically misguided while his actual advice is rarely if ever valuable. Generally any time he's onscreen, you're meant to be laughing at how dumb he is, laughing with how blunt he is, or frustratedly facepalming at how bluntly dumb he is.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 9th 2018 at 8:48:51 AM

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#90112: Oct 9th 2018 at 7:50:05 PM

He’s kinda lost that “Destroyer” nature even if he wasn’t that fearsome in the first film.

Plus the fact his relationship with Thanos was changed as he never treated him with utter rage.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 9th 2018 at 8:03:46 AM

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#90113: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:00:03 PM

Indeed. Drax got the Gimli treatment. He went from Total Badass in the source material to Funny Idiot Who Thinks He's Badass in the films.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Oct 9th 2018 at 9:02:31 AM

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#90115: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:18:00 PM

Lord of the Rings, the Dwarf.

Also, Film!Gimli was still a badass. He killed just as many people as Legolas did in Helm's Deep despite having a short-range weapon and shorter reach.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#90116: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:38:14 PM

He was just a comical Bad Ass too.

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#90117: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:40:27 PM

Tobias, you're so wrong. Drax's scenes with Mantis are some of the most heartwarming scenes in the Guardians films.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#90118: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:44:06 PM

[up]He has a few good moments but they are far outweighed by his absolutely dreadful humor.

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
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#90119: Oct 9th 2018 at 8:51:20 PM

Drax is my least favorite Guardian but he's still alright. His weird lines and jokes work in my opinion because Dave makes him sound so passionate and sincere about it that it wraps from groanworthy back around to amusing. Still, he's probably the least essential of the bunch. At the same time, I'm not sure if Dave's actually gonna up and leave at this point but I can't see into his head.

In unrelated news, Daredevil's third season is a thing. I should look into that. Damnit, I still need to catch up on the Netflix side though I'm wary of DDS 2.

Edited by XJTordecai on Oct 9th 2018 at 8:51:15 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90120: Oct 9th 2018 at 9:13:44 PM

I'm hoping that Drax sticks around long enough so we can see that his daughter also survived and became Moondragon...and then we can get Phyla-Vell, too. In fact, the third Guardians film should have a radically different lineup by the end of the film — I'd like to see Gamora lead a team of Moondragon, Phyla-Vell, Adam Warlock, Rocket, and Groot.

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#90121: Oct 9th 2018 at 9:17:19 PM

If anyone else were playing Drax, it would be unbearable. Dave Bautista makes it work by sheer force of will.

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MrHellboy The Shadow from A world of my own Since: Dec, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#90122: Oct 9th 2018 at 10:43:15 PM

I'd rather they kill off Drax than recast him, TBH

Disney really made a huge mistake in firing Gunn. They were hoping this would all blow over after a short while, but instead it's this dark cloud that's gonna be hanging over the rest of the franchise.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90123: Oct 10th 2018 at 12:49:23 AM

I still don't think that Disney did.

Sony will make a huge mistake though if they now want Spider-Man back or do anything to risk the deal with Marvel. For god's sake, I knew that they would lose all contact to reality if Venom makes too much money.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#90124: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:43:10 AM

Still, he's probably the least essential of the bunch.

Actually, when you remember that Drax was not even part of the original escape plan, you realize he kinda is.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#90125: Oct 10th 2018 at 6:49:15 AM

Well, he does help out. But overall...what exactly is he even doing other than ensuring that Ronan gets the stone in the first place? I kind of can't remember him doing anything decisive during the battle of Xandar either. During the fight against the space monster he is more a hinderance than a help, jumping out of the ship to shoot around is kind of crazy and he wasn't particularly helpful against ego either….


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