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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#90051: Oct 6th 2018 at 12:39:32 PM

What about Avengers: Heroes Reborn?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90052: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:36:11 PM

[up] God, don't even remind me of that disaster.

[up][up] Also, I think you overestimate how many people really care about Joss Whedon and/or dislike AOU.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#90053: Oct 6th 2018 at 2:39:01 PM

I hear it get ripped on every time I'm hear...

...so are you saying that TV Tropes is once again skewing my perception of things?

Cause if so, stop ruining my life Website I spend too much time on!

One Strip! One Strip!
TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#90054: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:39:09 PM

What about Avengers: Heroes Reborn?

That's Phase 4. Once the Fox merger is complete, there will be a final X-Men film where Onslaught smashes the MCU and FoX-Men universes together, resulting in a cosmic retcon that retroactively causes mutants to have been in the MCU for decades.

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Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#90055: Oct 6th 2018 at 5:45:49 PM

More Magneto antics?

STAHP!

Just Makima.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#90056: Oct 6th 2018 at 8:51:41 PM

Came back from watching Venom (and MHA: Two Heroes). I actually liked it. It's not great, but I'd say it's good. Venom is a solid action black comedy film. I'd be fine with this movie being canon to the MCU.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Oct 6th 2018 at 8:51:09 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90057: Oct 7th 2018 at 2:05:06 PM

Someone was able to unbleep what Ruffalo said was the title on Fallon: The Last Avenger. It actually sounds legit. You think he Russos would hide a real spoiler inside of a joke?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#90058: Oct 7th 2018 at 2:08:50 PM

Wait would it just be "The Last Avenger" or would it be "Avengers: The Last Avenger"? Either way I don't see it working.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#90059: Oct 7th 2018 at 2:10:35 PM

Most likely, Ruffalo said "the last Avengers" and is just making a fuss of it to misdirect.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Whowho Since: May, 2012
#90060: Oct 7th 2018 at 2:24:04 PM

Would be a fitting contrast to Cap 1, the first one.

And, sure, with half the universe dead they may well be the last Avengers.

I'd like it as a title, but as a subtitle it would be clunky.

Edited by Whowho on Oct 7th 2018 at 10:24:03 AM

TheAirman Brightness from The vicinity of an area adjacent to a location Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
Brightness
#90061: Oct 7th 2018 at 3:02:29 PM

"I only know one truth... it's time for the Avengers... to end."

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#90062: Oct 7th 2018 at 3:38:25 PM

Dang, now I want a Last Action Hero plot in the Avengers.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90063: Oct 7th 2018 at 4:25:34 PM

Avengers: The Last Avenger.

In which Luke Skywalker actually force teleported out of his universe, and falls into the MCU just in time to fight Thanos.

Seriously though, with a name like that, Cap is definitely screwed.

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Pet Owner
#90064: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:24:02 PM

Thanos: The last survivor s in the universe. I hope they remember you. Luke: Amazing. Every word you just said is wrong.

Just Makima.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90065: Oct 7th 2018 at 6:38:18 PM

Here is the recording of his unbleeped title. I think he actually says "The Last Avengers." Which also makes sense.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#90066: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:03:12 PM

  • Kamala: Something inside me has always been there. But now it's awake. And I'm afraid. Terrigenesis is a very scary thing, after all. I don't know what it is or what to do with it. And I need help.
  • Steve: You need a teacher. I cannot teach you.
  • Kamala: Why not? I've seen your daily routine. You're not busy.
  • Steve: I will never train another generation of Avengers. I came to the Blue Area of the Moon to die. It's time for the Avengers to end.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90067: Oct 7th 2018 at 7:16:41 PM

Man, Mark Ruffalo and Tom Holland are just leak machines, aren't they?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#90068: Oct 7th 2018 at 9:08:33 PM

I mean, to be fair, the entire bit was set up beforehand. It's pretty clear he was told to say all that stuff as a joke. I'm just wondering if they put in a real spoiler inside the joke spoilers.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#90069: Oct 8th 2018 at 4:10:28 AM

> Man, Mark Ruffalo and Tom Holland are just leak machines, aren't they?

Part of me thinks they 'leak' stuff intentionally to build hype for the film

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Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#90070: Oct 8th 2018 at 6:26:33 AM

[up] It could easily be a "little of column A, a little of column B" situation. I think they have let things slip in the past, but since then the studio has leaned into it and occasionally given them things to "leak".

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#90071: Oct 8th 2018 at 6:44:15 AM

My thoughts exactly. It's become an Ascended Meme.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#90072: Oct 8th 2018 at 7:08:03 AM

The question is the obvious "how much is it okay to reveal?"

Careful with showing too much.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#90073: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:41:38 AM

Deleted scene from Ant-Man and the Wasp involving the Microverse.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 8th 2018 at 12:45:57 PM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#90074: Oct 8th 2018 at 11:53:56 AM

Hmm...

While comics-accurate, not sure how I feel about already establishing that there's civilizations and life in general within the quantum realm. I rather like it as an unforgiving, lifeless plane behind the curtain of normal spacetime that you're simply not supposed to be in no matter how alien and non-euclidean you think you are.

But perhaps that was why the scene was cut. It's a bit late in the film to drop "Oh, yeah, there's also sapient alien life down here" alongside all the stuff with Janet's powers. Maybe if they go back into the quantum realm in later films it can be explored then.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#90075: Oct 8th 2018 at 12:13:36 PM

I can tell it was cut mostly because that point of the movie is very fast paced and very tense as it snowballs into the finale, but that scene is rather slow, quiet and unrelated to the rapidly unfolding plot going on around them.

I really like the worldbuilding, that there's a whole universe just outside of humanity's perception or ability to interact (with Jan as, effectively, the Microverse's Tarzan), and it opens up a lot of avenues, but that just wasn't the place for it. They could've put a hint of it a stinger, but the after credits scenes were... already reserved... this time around.

If they're going to set up the Microverse, they'll probably do it in the next film. And I hope they do: it's stuff like that that keeps the universe growing and stops it from feeling smaller.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 8th 2018 at 12:13:08 PM


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