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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89876: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:13:17 PM

Wait isn't that just Killian again?

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 30th 2018 at 2:12:48 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#89877: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:22:41 PM

I think having Doom as a refugee from Sokovia who grew up and went to college in the US, got into engineering, went home, got into magic, and then became a beloved dictator by putting Sokovia back together would make sense.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89878: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:29:21 PM

Doom is currently one of Iron Man’s successors along with Riri.

And he’s doing a damn good job of it even if he’s hampered by Brian Micheal Bendis’ slow as molasses writing.

Are you reading via Marvel Unlimited? Because that's six months behind. Bendis hasn't been writing for Marvel for, well, seven or eight months now (he's busy writing Superman and Action Comics for DC). As for the rest of what you wrote, I'll put it in spoilers in case you don't want to know: Tony was able to come out of his coma, his body having "rebooted" itself — so he was able to do the same for Rhodey, bringing him back to life. Meanwhile, Doom battled against the Hood and his army of supervillains, finally culminating a giant battle where the Hood revealed himself to be Mephisto and burned Doom's face again. Riri was recruited into a secret post-SHIELD organization by Leonardo da Vinci, although that hasn't been followed up at all. Currently, Tony is the main character of Tony Stark: Iron Man, written by Dan Slott, which is pretty fun, while Riri is going to be in Riri Williams: Ironheart, by Eve Ewing. Doom, pre-scarring, has shown up in Marvel Two-in-One helping the Thing and the Human Torch, and post-scarring in Fantastic Four #1, helping to take back Latveria from the dictators who were running it.

ExplosiveLion Since: Mar, 2016 Relationship Status: Armed with the Power of Love
#89879: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:34:50 PM

Killian hated Tony tho. Doom wouldn't hate him, he would be influenced by him to protect humanity in his own twisted way.

Which will fit this forum's opinion that everything is, somehow, always Tony's fault evil grin

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89880: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:35:03 PM

[up][up] Eh yeah I'm pretty behind, haven't read comics in a while.

The point is that Doom made for a pretty decent Iron Man as long as he lasted.

Same way Ock made for a decent Spider-Man ignoring the fact he stole Peter's body to do so & other stuff.

[up] Eh still too similar as well as to Vulture in how Tony is responsible for them.

I would like for Doom to see Tony as a Rival but not as his inspiration. Doom has no inspiration other than Doom.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 30th 2018 at 2:40:36 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#89881: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:39:20 PM

I don't think Doom would work as a multi-film villain like Thanos.

While he's often shown having some sort of power armor, his strength lies mostly in his brain rather than his brawn. That can make him an excellent foe for one movie at a time. However, if he's teased out as a threat across multiple movies, viewers will likely catch onto the fact that most of the MCU heroes could beat him to a pulp if they wanted to, and the fact that he avoids getting into such a confrontation for several movies in a row might start to annoy people.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89882: Sep 30th 2018 at 2:49:12 PM

While he's often shown having some sort of power armor, his strength lies mostly in his brain rather than his brawn.
I mean, he also knows magic, too. So he's a genius-level intellect, with power armor and magic at his disposal. That's pretty damn formidable.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#89883: Sep 30th 2018 at 3:32:38 PM

I would like for Doom to be a sort of anti-Stark in a sense. The dark parallel to everything Stark tried to be. But I wouldn't want him to be doing that on purpose; it shrinks the universe to make everything about Stark.

Call attention to it, sure.

  • Captain America: I once knew a man who thought like you. Except he knew better than to do what you've done here. You crossed a line, Doom.

But don't, like, encode it into Doom's backstory. Let him just be a bad guy who exists in the world and isn't the Avengers' fault.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#89884: Sep 30th 2018 at 3:38:41 PM

He could be some guy who helps rebuild Sokovia, and climbs his way into power. Eventually he becomes leader and renames Sokovia into Latveria.

That's what I kept saying. tongue

On a different subject, what if Jake Gylenhaal wasn't really playing Mysterio, but a different, more personal member of Spidey's rogues gallery?

What if he's playing Norman Motherforking Osborn?

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#89885: Sep 30th 2018 at 3:46:40 PM

Incidentally, put me down for "Doom rebuilds Sokovia into Latveria" too. It's a perfect way to introduce his character while sidestepping the question of, "Okay, asshole, where was YOUR super-nation during Infinity War?"

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89886: Sep 30th 2018 at 3:46:41 PM

[up][up]That...might work. Although we've already had two live-action versions of Norman Osborn already, so I don't know if they would try for a third. And Jake Gyllenhaal doesn't strike me as the type, although he might be Playing Against Type.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 30th 2018 at 3:46:02 AM

comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
Lymantria Tyrannoraptoran Reptiliomorph from Toronto Since: Apr, 2015 Relationship Status: Historians will say we were good friends.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89889: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:06:18 PM

Yep, he's definitely not Norman Osborne.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89890: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:27:44 PM

That is phenomenal timing.

This song needs more love.
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#89891: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:39:22 PM

First look at Jake Gylenhaal as Mysterio

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89892: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:42:31 PM

I really hope they keep the fishbowl helmet.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#89893: Sep 30th 2018 at 4:42:50 PM

[up][up][up][up][up]That's true, if he's really Mysterio we can't assume that just because he's wearing a cape and looking like Jake Gyllenhaal that he's actually Mysterio. Maybe he's Mysterio wearing a Jake Gyllenhaal mask under his fishbowl in a full-on Old Man Jenkins sort of situation, and then under that mask he's Chameleon, and under that mask he's Bruce Campbell — not Bruce Campbell playing a character, but the actual Bruce Campbell, of Evil Dead fame, from the world of the MCU. And then Deadpool shows up.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 30th 2018 at 6:08:16 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#89895: Sep 30th 2018 at 5:21:18 PM

And then he pulls off that mask and he's Robert Downey Jr. wondering if he actually is Iron Man, and then he takes off that mask and he's Nicolas Cage, and Tom Holland takes off his mask and he's also Nicolas Cage, and then everyone else takes off their masks and they're all John Malkovich.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89896: Sep 30th 2018 at 5:26:55 PM

I was going to post the "Malkovich Malkovich Malkovich" scene from Being John Malkovich, but then I realized that that would probably be too off topic.

But hey, look, a set photo from Spider-Man: Far From Home. According to other set photos, Ned and Betty Brandt are totally dating now.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 30th 2018 at 5:26:46 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#89897: Sep 30th 2018 at 6:56:50 PM

So between Megalomaniacal Dictator and Petty Manbaby, which version do these Dooms fall under?

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 30th 2018 at 9:58:17 AM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89898: Sep 30th 2018 at 6:58:24 PM

The first image I call that Cartman Doom.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 30th 2018 at 7:00:54 AM

JRads47 Since: Nov, 2014
ViperMagnum357 Since: Mar, 2012
#89900: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:11:47 PM

[up]That. Most characters were patently ridiculous during the Silver Age.


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