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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Isn't Doom's thing that he has a whole nation of his own that supplies his super tech? How many times can we pull a "secret high-tech nation that nobody's ever heard of" reveal in the MCU without people no longer taking it seriously?
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 30th 2018 at 2:04:01 PM
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Not Exactly-Doom's schtick is that he is one of the very few entities not intrinsically tied to the universe that can freely combine powerful magic and advanced technology; with a final result roughly comparable to the work of Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Hank Pym, and the like. Latveria is what happens when a technologically savvy Sorcerous Overlord makes good on their conquest of a nation that was such a craphole the population welcomed their conqueror with open arms; and providing what would otherwise be a transient supervillain with the resources of an advanced nation and corresponding official recognition/diplomatic immunity for most purposes.
Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Sep 30th 2018 at 2:07:54 PM
Yeah Doom's two big edges over guys like Stark, Reed Richards, Pym, Banner, etc is that he successfully combined science AND sorcery. And he rules over a country so not only can he use it's resources as he sees fit, but its also hard to stop him because he has sovereign immunity as well.
And it makes him different as a baddie than what we've seen in the MCU thus far.
Basically: imagine if Tony Stark, Doctor Strange, and King T'Challa were the same dude. That's Doom.
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.Just a thing " I mean, he's not like Batman "
Tony stark is pretty batman like and even more in civil war, childhood trauma?,check, cynical? check, controling? check, give him a cave and a spear and he is batman.
And doom....a this point I like to see interaction between wakanda and latveria since as people point how, doom is a shadow architype of T´challa.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Heck Doom's debut episode in the Avengers: EMH animated show had him:
-Send his minions to attack Avengers Mansion and the Baxter Building.
-Kidnap Sue Storm and Wasp and take them to Latveria.
-The remaining Avengers (minus Thor and Ant Man) and FF go to stop him.
-He kicks all of their asses singlehandedly.
-He just, lets Sue and Wasp go and doesn't feel the need to explain why he took them in the first place.
-He tells the hero's that they're trespassing on his territory and to GTFO basically, and they do.
-It turns out that the reason for it all was because he'd already realized that the Skrulls were starting to replace people and suspected that either Wasp, Sue, or both had been replaced and was running test to find out which one it was.
-Etc.
It was an awesome episode and a great showcase of why Doom works as a villain. Also he's often depicted as having a certain code of ethics, albeit a skewed one, which makes him even more interesting.
I was thinking the same thing actually. The entire debacle with Sokovia has provided the perfect opening for the creation of Doom.
One Strip! One Strip!I'm conflicted about whether Doom should be introduced gradually or if they should just go "Boom here's this Darth Vader-looking dude." I think either could work.
This song needs more love.Yes, which offends his enormous ego and sense of self-importance and helps drive his villainy (although it's not the sole cause/motivator TBF).
Also Doom has some interesting nuance to his character as well. He's not so unreasonable that he won't temporarily tem up with the hero's against a bigger threat. He's a man of his word (although you should read the fine print on that one), he's capable of respecting others (he and Loki respected each other during Dark Reign), and in some of the comics he has respect for T'Challa and Storm (it's even implied that he might be attracted to the latter). And he hates bigotry (which is part of why I hated how Reginald Hudlin wrote him in his Black Panther run).
He's just a cool character all-around. Also if they can just introduce Red Skull right off of the bat in TFA and make it work, then they can do the same for Doom imo.
Yeah. It's been pointed out on this very wiki that as good as Doom is, he's only second best at both Science and Sorcery...though he's a better armourer than Stark apparently, since they went toe to toe once and Doom did win...because his suit had a longer lasting battery (this is pre-arc reactor from the MCU, so not a shock there).
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, I'd like Doom to step onto the stage fully-formed and ready to go. He's one of those characters who's less interesting when you try to connect their backstory to the plot. There are basically two versions of Doom:
- Doom the Megalomaniacal Dictator. Ruler of Latveria. Master of Science and Sorcery. Armed with his brilliant mind, Doom believes very firmly in saving the world and helping all mankind to achieve greatness, but his vision of the future is fundamentally flawed because his path to getting there consists of taking over the world and dragging humanity kicking and screaming towards his ideal. His egotism is his greatest weakness.
- Doom the Petty Manbaby. One time in college, his face blew up and Reed Richards was nearby. Doom has dedicated his life to getting revenge on Reed, while screaming about "ACCURSED RICHARDS" at the top of his lungs.
Doom is a phenomenal character whenever he's not a Fantastic Four villain. To this end, I'd prefer his backstory be covered quickly and be unrelated to the actual story. Maybe after he's made his first appearance, have Captain America read off some stuff about how he was horribly scarred in a college accident and that's why he wears the mask. And then that's it. We're fighting Doom Today, not Doom Yesterday.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 30th 2018 at 1:32:26 PM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.I think I've only ever seen Doom the Petty Manbaby, so I just kind of have to take others at their word that Doom is actually a supreme badass and Master of All. Like, I can totally understand why that version of Doom is amazing, and I totally believe that version of Doom exists, I've just never seen that version of Doom. He's always been just a generic evil mad scientist in a castle plotting against RICHARDS to me.
Doom the badass has basically been his default characterization for the last 10-15 years in comics at least, and most of the other media as well. Heck in the Secret Wars even from a few years back, he literally REWROTE REALITY ITSELF to make the Universe what he wanted it to be, and became basically a god in the process. And now, he's kind of an anti-hero in the comics currently.

Eventually, yes, but the deal won't be through next year and then they have to be careful to introduce the Fantastic Four first.