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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
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#89826: Sep 29th 2018 at 4:49:29 PM

In Avengers 4:

Tony: "Well I think it's time for me to retire. I don't think we'll be seeing any more intergalactic threats for a while."

In Spider-Man Far From Home:

News: "Tony Stark was found dead today in his home. Sources say he was hit with a sniper rifle after he was done discarding his Proto Layered Optimal Titan Armor."

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89827: Sep 29th 2018 at 4:53:55 PM

The Real Mandarin: Just as planned.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#89828: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:11:34 PM

What if Tony's body dies, but he downloads his consciousness into a computer, and can stick around as Jarvis-like assistant for other heroes?

With the bonus that, if all you need is Robert Downey Jr.'s voice, you can probably get him to continue playing the character for years to come.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#89829: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:40:38 PM

I wouldn't care for that. At all.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#89830: Sep 29th 2018 at 5:51:53 PM

Could be a good way introduce Ultron in a new form,an AI based that's supposed be based on the late Tony Stark develops a mind of it's own because it turns out Ultron had uploaded his mind years ago and was undetected for years effectively hijacking Tony Stark's mind

yes I'm aware thats what happened to Jarvis shush

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#89831: Sep 29th 2018 at 6:19:40 PM

Tony was an AI during the period in which Riri Williams held his mantle, right?

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#89832: Sep 29th 2018 at 6:43:15 PM

Yes, he was.

Fun fact regarding using that to bring back Ultron: there was a comic where Ultron took over Tony's suit and somehow morphed both Tony and the suit into a new body for himself, in the form of a naked Janet van Dyne.

Comics are weird.

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Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89833: Sep 29th 2018 at 7:16:39 PM

Bringing Ultron back should be pretty easily I'd think.  All he'd have to have done would be to download part of himself into a cellphone or something.  He's done it many times in the comics.

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#89834: Sep 29th 2018 at 8:07:07 PM

wild mass guessKaren is Ultronwild mass guess.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#89835: Sep 29th 2018 at 8:56:46 PM

I knew someone who had the theory that in the final moments when Vision and Ultron were facing off and Vision supposedly blew him up that maybe Ultron managed to download himself in Vision itself.

We don't see the entirety of the final moment: it pulls away and all we get is that flash of light from Vision using the Mind Stone. Plus, it'd be the last place anyone would ever think to look for him.

There's also the possibility that Ultron put himself inside Vision when the latter was initially burning him out of the internet.

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#89836: Sep 29th 2018 at 10:38:46 PM

...You know, I hated Ultron in AOU but I'm rather intrigued by all these ideas of him coming back. [lol]

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Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89837: Sep 29th 2018 at 10:45:10 PM

I have sometimes considered a fanfic where Ultron wakes up in Vision's post-Thanos-ripped-out-the-Mind-Stone body. He was intending to "save" the Earth from Thanos, after all. And now after the Snap, the Avengers have a narrower selection of who to cooperate with.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 29th 2018 at 10:45:22 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89838: Sep 29th 2018 at 10:46:32 PM

There's still at least one intact Ultron head around (Peter finds it in Homecoming).

And while it's clearly inoperable, mechanical and electronic villains spontaneously reactivating from spare parts is a beloved comic book staple.

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#89839: Sep 29th 2018 at 10:54:38 PM

I wouldn't mind Ultron coming back as kind of a Token Evil Teammate, occupying Vision's body.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89840: Sep 29th 2018 at 11:12:41 PM

I mean, the Avengers AI team did have a Doombot as a member, so I don't see why we can't have a reprogrammed Ultron. "I suggest we kill them all and let whatever gods they believe in sort it out." "We can't do that to the IRS, Ultron." "Why not? And lo, there shall come...an accounting!"

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89841: Sep 29th 2018 at 11:38:10 PM

So, here's a random speculatory question. We talk a lot about how we think the next movie is going to go, but I've been wondering about how it's going to end recently.

Like, do you guys think the stingers and all are going to emphasize "job well done, everyone is happy and good now?" Or do you think the final note of first big arc of the MCU is going to be a jarring hint for the next big one? (like, I dunno, have the shenanigans with the stones crack a hole in reality, through which comes Shuma Gorath).

I could see them doing either, especially if the former involves showing us new heroes or lay hints for positive things that fans have been wondering about (like Stature / Stinger, or SWORD, or the Young Avengers. Or even on a somber note: if Steve does die and get that dance with Peggy, it being shown in a stinger would be nice feel good cap.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 29th 2018 at 11:37:49 AM

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#89842: Sep 29th 2018 at 11:43:45 PM

I actually really hope that all the Avengers 4 stingers are some flavor of happy to bittersweet. Both the characters and we, the audience, have deserved a time to be happy. I don't want Avengers 4 to have a "and then there's an EVEN BIGGER villain who sets his sights on Earth!", save that for a different movie. After all they and we have been through, we deserve a series of stingers that are just "and then everyone lived happily ever after".

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89843: Sep 30th 2018 at 12:52:47 AM

Avengers 4 should feel like a proper wrap up of all the stories we followed so far.

And then they can built up the secret invasion story line. Hopefully Captain Marvel will be a success because I have the feeling that the future of the MCU hinges on it. If nobody watches her taking out scrulls, they will have a hard time to elaborate on them.

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#89844: Sep 30th 2018 at 6:56:41 AM

I figure they'll do the opposite of what they usually do and have the first post-credits scene be nice (like the hypothetical steve-peggy dance idea, which I quite like) and the second post-credits be a set-up for the next conflict.

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#89845: Sep 30th 2018 at 7:45:37 AM

I'm predicting multiple stingers peppered throughout the credits that check in on various characters and give us little bits of their happy endings. And then the last one has the ominous Sequel Hook.

Like, maybe Captain America sacrifices himself to go out in a blaze of glory against Thanos at some point in the film. And then the last stinger is Captain America still alive but patched up, waking up in alien custody - but without specifying that the aliens are Skrulls.

The trick with Secret Invasion is that if they were going to do that arc, they probably shouldn't telegraph it ahead of time. The Skrull reveal worked because of the sudden paranoia it created about the preceding stories.

If they were to do a film adaptation, they should save that reveal for near the end of the phase. Put it somewhere that nobody will expect it after several films have already been released. Phase 4's trucking along, everyone has their own movies, and then maybe a shocking Skrull reveal shows up in Ant-Man 3 or some shit. Hank Pym dies and reverts back to a natural Skrull state, and everyone's like, "Holy shit. What is this? What do we even do with this? Where's Hank?"

I feel like the reveal would be more effective if the audience has to go back and comb through the movies they already watched looking for secret Skrull hints than if they're warned to keep an eye out for them ahead of time.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 30th 2018 at 8:52:04 AM

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#89846: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:02:29 AM

I don't think Secret Invasion is the kind of thing you could space out over multiple movies anyway. Seems like more of a Civil War-sized story. Secret Wars, though, maybe. By way of Exiles, hint hint, Marvel.

I'm just going to guess the next big multi-phase villain is Galactus until proven otherwise. Quite a gamble, I know.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#89847: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:09:50 AM

I find it amusing the closest we've got to Galactus on screen was his head in the clouds

When it comes to the Marvel Cinematic Universe I hope they'll reference this when he actually appears

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89848: Sep 30th 2018 at 8:14:08 AM

[up] I agree. Which is why I think the MCU needs a few breather movies (and frankly, they have enough franchises started that they can afford that...something like Far from home, a second Black Panther, finally a Black Widow movie or even another Doctor Strange doesn't necessarily need an extra draw), and then drop the bomb. Maybe not in the Ant-man franchise though…

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89849: Sep 30th 2018 at 9:04:51 AM

wild mass guessThanos is a Skrull, meaning the villain of Phase 4 will be Thanos again.wild mass guess

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89850: Sep 30th 2018 at 9:49:48 AM

Depending on when they finally incorporate the X-Men and Fantastic Four into the MCU. Dr. Doom would be a good choice for a major threat. Also I just REALLY want to see him finally done right on-film.


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