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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89776: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:18:25 PM

I think Thor's going to get the Soul Stone and try to resurrect the dead Asgardians — hence their souls being reincarnated, so we can finally get Kid Loki. (Look, I just really want Kid Loki, okay?) Reincarnation also means that they don't need to get the same actors for the characters.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2018 at 3:21:28 AM

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#89777: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:26:40 PM

Though that assumes that he could escape Thanos, or that Thanos would let him go.

No reason he wouldn't. Thanos was only there for the Gem.

There's a certain rule about characters whose deaths cannot be confirmed. When nobody even so much as suggests that the character is dead in the first place, it's pretty much a guarantee. No one ever dies offscreen without leaving a visible corpse.

While Captain Marvel might "rescue the universe" in a sense, it would still feel a bit cheap to have her show up and beat up Thanos, tear up the Infinity Gauntlet, and go, "What's up, fools, I'm the new beast here." I'm sure she'll make a difference, don't get me wrong, but Thanos with the full Gauntlet is still stronger. He can turn her into bubbles, or wipe her mind, or teleport her to the other side of the universe. He is God.

That's not necessarily true. Thor's Stormbreaker overpowers the Infinity Gauntlet at the end of Infinity War. Thor throws the axe, Thanos blasts it with a beam from the Gauntlet, and the axe cleaves its way through the beam and hits him in the chest.

Thanos was still able to pull together a win out of Thor's egotism, but the precedent is set. Thor "made God bleed", so to speak.

...it just occurred to me that "All of that for a drop of blood" might be a really clever reference to that speech from Iron Man 2.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89778: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:28:59 PM

Thor's Stormbreaker overpowers the Infinity Gauntlet at the end of Infinity War.
I believe Thanos had only been using each Stone individually before the Snap, though. The beam was probably from the Power Stone. The Snap was the only moment when he was using all six Stones at once.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2018 at 3:31:23 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89779: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:33:42 PM

The beam had a rainbow tint, implying it was made from all six Stones. We’ve seen the Mind Stone and the Space Stone can also be used to create energy beams.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 28th 2018 at 3:36:32 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89780: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:37:04 PM

I wonder...what EXACTLY did Thanos do? Did he kill them all or did he change the whole universe to a different reality in which they don't exist?

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89781: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:39:48 PM

He just killed them. If he changed realities, no one who remained would remember them.

This song needs more love.
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#89782: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:45:21 PM

[up][up][up]Reality too. Malekith fires off smoky red energy beams at Thor several times after absorbing the Aether.

I was under the impression all six Stones were being used for that Infinity Kamehameha (At the very least, the close-up shot of him firing it shows the Reality and Soul Stones contributing, the others are all off-camera), which makes it all the more impressive that Stormbreaker just plowed through it without even slowing down.

Either way, Thanos with the full gauntlet is not nearly as overpowered as the comics version. Not only the Stormbreaker scene, but also the fact that he explicitly needs to clench his fist to make use of the Stones, a weakness that they exploit several times in the fight on Titan; if something is physically impeding him from closing his hand, he's effectively down to zero Infinity Stones all over again until he removes said impediment.

I don't think stopping Thanos will be as simple as just steamrolling him with combined hero might like they did Ultron, but I do suspect that we'll get a fairer fight than anticipated.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 28th 2018 at 6:50:58 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89783: Sep 28th 2018 at 6:51:03 PM

-Is now imagining Hulk cradling Rocket while the saddest music ever plays-

Hulk want hug kittens
But they so easy to squish
Hulk live in cruel world...

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 28th 2018 at 6:54:17 AM

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#89784: Sep 28th 2018 at 7:02:29 PM

"I hope everyone but Steve and Tony dies just spite people!

"

THAT IS THE SPIRIT!(stone)evil grin

But something that I want is tony finally retiring for reals, why? because I will love the idea of a hero retiring, not dying, not this "eternally questing" just....he got to be happy, that it.

so far only batman did it in rise, is time for marvel to do it too.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89785: Sep 28th 2018 at 7:50:59 PM

If Tony does retire and not die, I want an Armor Wars movie where his replacement is chosen...and I want it to be Riri Williams, just to spite the stupid Comicsgate douchebags.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89786: Sep 28th 2018 at 7:57:54 PM

I figure Tony will die if Downey Jr's contract really is through. The issue with keeping around a retired Tony is that he's still within his physical prime, still has plenty of suit-making ability, and every future crisis in the MCU would have people wondering why Tony isn't getting off his couch or simply sending a remote controlled armor to help out.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89787: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:06:43 PM

If Tony survives, something really significant would have to take him out of the fight. He’s shown that nothing, not peace, not relationships, not his whole damn life falling apart, will keep him out of the suit.

No wonder he connects with Spidey.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89788: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:11:54 PM

He’s shown that nothing, not peace, not relationships, not his whole damn life falling apart, will keep him out of the suit.
Yeah, in order to change his mind, he would have to suffer some sort of huge, enormous tragedy. Something like, I don't know, half the universe dying, including the protege that he made an Avenger.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89789: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:13:38 PM

That part is obviously getting fixed, including said protege's death, so what keeps him out of the fight after that?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89790: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:15:56 PM

The knowledge that, even though it was fixed, it still happened? I mean, yes, obviously, everything is going to go back to normal, but that doesn't mean what happened didn't happen, only that they were able to (probably barely) reverse it.

If everyone's memories of the Snap were erased, I could understand him ignoring it. But if he remembers the Snap and everything that happened, it should have an enormous effect on his psyche. His PTSD should come back with a vengeance.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2018 at 9:16:29 AM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89791: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:16:31 PM

If anything, that tragedy validated his entire reason for being an Avenger. He’s always justified his obsessions with “someday, something horrible is going to happen! You’ll all see!”

And then something horrible did happen, and it turns out the world didn’t do enough. If and when his gets resolved, by all means he’d be twice as spurred to build bigger and better shields around everything, because he was proven absolutely right in his paranoia.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 28th 2018 at 9:17:10 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89792: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:21:11 PM

If and when his gets resolved, by all means he’d be twice as spurred to build bigger and better shields around everything.
But wouldn't the knowledge that, no matter what he did, how many suits he made, he still failed, break him? I'm speaking theoretically here, not that I want him to be broken, just that something of this magnitude should break him down psychologically.

I kind of want to see a scene of Tony showing up drunk to Aunt May's apartment and telling her he tried everything and he's so sorry and when Pepper comes to apologize, May tells her that's it's no problem, he does this every week.

You know, I kind of just want to explore a world where half the population just died and the other half has to learn to live with it. I kind of wish AOS was doing that instead of having their next season be set after A4.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2018 at 9:20:33 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89793: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:25:05 PM

Tony’s gotta die.

He ain't gonna stop ever.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89794: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:30:31 PM

I don't believe that. I mean, he's not like Batman — now, Batman retiring would be silly.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89795: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:34:16 PM

He’s proved he is like Batman.

He’s had the opportunity to retire multiple times but he keeps going at it.

Chances are he’ll never stop even when Thanos loses so to make sure their ready for the next big threat.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89796: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:34:35 PM

He might lose an arm... or a leg... or both.

Nah then he'd just go Fullmetal on us.

Edited by LordVatek on Sep 28th 2018 at 12:34:08 PM

This song needs more love.
Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89797: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:37:41 PM

I reiterate: kill every single classic line-up Avenger except Thor, who lingers around as the Odin of new Asgard, and maybe War Machine who lingers as the next generation's Nick Fury figure.

I want Steve, Stark, Bruce, Clint, Natasha, Nick all dead.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89798: Sep 28th 2018 at 9:43:33 PM

Whoa there, George R. R. Martin.

Also (CASTING SPOILERS) we know Nick Fury will be alive, since he's going to be in Spider-Man: Far From Home.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 28th 2018 at 9:43:41 AM

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#89799: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:16:09 PM

Only one I for sure want dead who actually has a decent chance of dying for good is Steve, as much as I like him.

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#89800: Sep 28th 2018 at 10:16:37 PM

Tony Stark's "powerset" makes it so that injury or age aren't really valid excuses for him to stay out of the fight; the Iron Man armor is easy enough to pilot that Rhodes can still fly one despite being a late-middle-aged paraplegic and he's not nearly as paranoid or obsessive as Stark.

I don't think anything short of death will stop him from suiting up. Even if he's a limbless, comatose vegetable in a hospital bed for the rest of his life he'd probably find some way to have a brain chip implanted so he can remotely pilot a suit and send it after whatever bad guy of the day has irked him.

On that note, Thanos's 1-on-1 with Stark at the climax of the battle on Titan is kinda funny in retrospect. The final, most prominent obstacle Thanos faces to get the Time Stone in a cosmic battle for the fate of the universe, whom even Thanos has to show some respect and admiration for, isn't some appointed master of the mystic arts, a god of thunder, a synthetic paragon being fueled by an Infinity Stone, or a band of warriors devoted to protecting the cosmos from threats like him.

It's just some random corporate CEO dude with anxiety issues.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 28th 2018 at 1:17:57 PM

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