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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89751: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:11:44 AM

I think everyone who died in Infinity War is coming back, including Loki. As for who is going to die...probably Tony and maybe Steve. That's all.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#89752: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:15:25 AM

Tony and Steve are pretty much on everyone's death list.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#89753: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:20:48 AM

I hope everyone but Steve and Tony dies just spite people!

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#89754: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:20:48 AM

> Not Hulk. Not Rocket.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89755: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:37:55 AM

I hope that Cap survives...and I want Kid-Loki. Though not necessarily immediately.

Frankly, I could live with nobody dying. Yes, I am serious. For all I care they can also mess up the timeline and plug characters from wherever they want, as long as they have a compelling narrative reason to do it.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#89756: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:40:48 AM

I wouldn’t mind if Cap’s story ends with him & Bucky traveling the world & enacting street justice. tongue

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#89757: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:47:15 AM

I'm pretty sure we've been told that at least some deaths will stick, although we don't know which. It would be an opportunity to move out the "old guard" of characters whose actors are ending their contracts.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89758: Sep 28th 2018 at 11:55:07 AM

Well, "some deaths will stick" is already fulfilled just by Heimdal and Vision staying dead.

MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#89759: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:05:20 PM

Vision is a character I want to see revived for sure. I like his relationship with Wanda way too much.

An easy bet would be Steve dying, but I like the character too much. I much rather he survive but pass the mantle and stick around in the same capacity as Nick.

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#89760: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:11:40 PM

With Cap I think he'll

1)Get serious injured and put into cryofreeze

or

2)He gets permanently killed,later gets resurrected as a clone played by someone else

But personally I want him to end up guarding one of the stones somewhere,so he's not 'dead' but he's busy off screen

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#89761: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:14:42 PM

I really hope the MCU doesn't fall into the comic book trap of constantly cycling characters on and off a bus as their respective narratives get more and more convoluted until only a reboot can untangle everything. One thing I've liked about the way that Disney has done things so far is that continuity is relatively simple. You can jump into any given film without having had to catch up on three years of backstory just to know who everyone is.

Except for Infinity War, of course, but that couldn't have been any other way and kept under four hours of runtime.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 28th 2018 at 3:29:53 PM

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
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#89762: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:17:45 PM

Out of all the non-dusted casualties, Gamora is the only one I really want to see come back. Meanwhile, Steve I think should die. It'd be sad to see but at least he'll go down fighting or whatever.

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#89763: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:53:47 PM

The dusted folk are all coming back. Gamora is definitely coming back and staying back. Vision I'm 20/20 50/50 on, but I think everybody else who died in Infinity War (Heimdall, Loki, the Collector, and the Black Order) are gone for good.

As for the still-living, Nebula's definitely gonna die, and so is either Steve or Tony, maybe even both. This movie represents the end of one era and the beginning of a new one, there's no way they're not going to symbolize it by cutting down one of their old tentpoles.

The real question is, though, who's gonna kill Thanos?

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 28th 2018 at 3:54:14 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89764: Sep 28th 2018 at 12:57:59 PM

Thing is, I just wouldn't be satisfied with Steve dying without him getting some sort of happy end beforehand. He still hasn't come home. And I think that he should.

Plus, if they do secret invasion, Cap kind of HAS to be part of it. One way or another.

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#89765: Sep 28th 2018 at 1:18:01 PM

The Collector might not be dead. We never see a body; the carnage on Knowhere happens entirely offscreen, with the Collector's only appearance in the film being an illusion created by the Reality Gem.

It's entirely possible - indeed, given his personality, highly probable - that the Collector surrendered the Reality Gem to Thanos and/or fled for his life rather than standing his ground and fighting the Mad Titan to his bitter end.

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#89766: Sep 28th 2018 at 1:27:02 PM

Though that assumes that he could escape Thanos, or that Thanos would let him go.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89767: Sep 28th 2018 at 1:31:33 PM

Yeah, the Collector is too smart to die easily. Though I guess they won'T confirm this one way or another. They will keep his fate vague, so that they can use him should they need him again, but aren't obligated to bring him back.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#89768: Sep 28th 2018 at 1:52:07 PM

The real question is, though, who's gonna kill Thanos?

Not really a question for me. If he is not gonna end himself, I'm 95% sure it will be Captain Marvel. She has been hyped up to death as the most powerful being in the cosmos, the new face of the MCU and what better way to solidify that than to kill the Big Bad of the verse?

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 28th 2018 at 10:54:58 AM

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#89769: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:04:56 PM

Does Thanos have to be killed by one of the heroes, necessarily? Given how much effort Disney put in to subvert our narrative expectations in Infinity War, wouldn't it be interesting if he kills himself out of regret or something like that?

While Captain Marvel might "rescue the universe" in a sense, it would still feel a bit cheap to have her show up and beat up Thanos, tear up the Infinity Gauntlet, and go, "What's up, fools, I'm the new beast here." I'm sure she'll make a difference, don't get me wrong, but Thanos with the full Gauntlet is still stronger. He can turn her into bubbles, or wipe her mind, or teleport her to the other side of the universe. He is God.

No amount of punching and/or Beam Spam is going to take Thanos down. That'd be absurd. It'll be something else that wins the day in the end. I'd love to see Nebula get the Gauntlet, because she has perhaps the most reason to hate him of anyone in the whole universe, and killing him with its power would be karmariffic. (Not just because she does it in How It Should Have Ended, which is awesome.)

I'm thinking that his fall may not even be the climax. Somehow, the Infinity Stones have to be destroyed or eliminated as a threat. It could require an ultimate sacrifice from one or more characters.

Remember Dr. Strange. There could have been a million ways to stop Thanos, but none of them would have ended the threat of the Infinity Stones for good. That's the thing that has me convinced that it's not going to be a straightforward "get Moar Powah and beat up the bad guy" story.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 28th 2018 at 5:09:17 AM

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89770: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:05:42 PM

I almost think that everyone convincing him that his entire belief system is flawed and it ends up breaking him is better than straight up killing him.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89771: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:10:00 PM

I think that's the best way to defeat him.

Just have him give up, admit defeat, and that his entire plan was wrong, & then just commit suicide.

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
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#89772: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:10:14 PM

I do want Nebula to at least land the killing blow, though I can deal with Carol or Thor dealing a lot of damage as well.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89773: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:11:36 PM

Nah. Captain Marvel will have a key role but the killing blow has to be a group effort. Because if they win, they do that together. That's the very point of the whole story since Age of Ultron, that they can only win together.

And if any character has the right to deliver the final blow, it's Nebula.

Edited by Swanpride on Sep 28th 2018 at 2:14:14 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89774: Sep 28th 2018 at 2:56:54 PM

I'd love to see Nebula get the Gauntlet, because she has perhaps the most reason to hate him of anyone in the whole universe, and killing him with its power would be karmariffic.
The original Infinity Gauntlet crossover also had Nebula get the Gauntlet, although she also misused it, causing the heroes (and Thanos) to try and get it away from her. The only person who was trusted to use it was Adam Warlock, who is still in his cocoon in the MCU.

I have a theory that the Gaunlet itself is broken and each of the original Avengers has to wield one of the Infinity Stones in tandem to reverse what Thanos did.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89775: Sep 28th 2018 at 3:16:47 PM

Yeah, it would be kind of cool if Cap holds the Time stone, Bruce/Hulk the Power stone, Natasha the Reality Stone, Tony the Mind stone, Clint the soul stone and Thor the Space stone and them all of them do the whole guardian hand-holding thing.


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