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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
Well, then I have expected too much from AAA blockbuster of a giant media-entertainment conglomerate like Disney.
I am a simple man, I like stories therefore I dissect and discuss them.Even if the accords were just a excuse it also provied a problem of taking about the limits of superherois...smething you should never do because let face it, they are always going to lose over and over because superhero broke the law in almost every way posible.
And about wanda....well, is not just hulk, is the fact she join HYDRA, which as our good friend Skye(aka,daisy, aka quake, aka worldbreaker, aka how many nicknames and name is this girl is going to get) said, was made by "red skull a nazi, a big and fat nazi!" and that is how she got her powers, and then she used said power on tony which made him restart project Ultron, then she helped the robot into robbing Vibranium, put everyone in a awfull mental state and put Hulk into a rampage that may or may not killed someone.
And she sort just get away with it, and not just that, she power provoke another incident in another african city.
In the end is not the lact of acountability the most glaring thing here is that the movie seen to pretend it didnt happen at all.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2018 at 4:58:15 AM
Okay. I usually don't say anything about Wanda, because it's a minefield. But fuck it; why shouldn't I express myself like everyone else? I have two things I'm going to say: 1) anyone saying Wanda atoning for her actions by joining the Avengers isn't good enough and she should be in jail better be saying the same thing about the Black Widow and Gamorah. Because the fact is, they both have a lot more blood on their hands than she does.
2) Unless they can tell me exactly where cannon mcu material states that the Maximoff twins knew before they signed the paperwork authorizing themselves to be used as test subjects that they were dealing with HYDRA and not some nebulous 'government agency', people need to stop using the "Wanda joined HYDRA willingly and that proves she was a terrible person all along" argument. I seriously, seriously doubt HYDRA would've risked identifying themselves to anyone that wasn't already under their direct and total control, especially since this would've been years before the Big Reveal in 2014.
Two things about it:
Neither Gamora or Black widow try to pretend to be nice people in general, Gamora at least have the excuse of being rise by Thanos and she try her best to stop him, while Natasha drive her angst of being the morally grey of her team...and in fact some have complain of having the two deeds never show.
and with the second...really? are you going to tell me the twins never suspect they were HYDRA? i think they new, just didnt care because of their hate bonner.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Yeah, in the case of Natasha is even worst because we dont know nothing about her past except some mention loki did about a hostial of a church I think.
I mean, blame wheedon all you want, but the dude at least remenber the girl have some past, today she is pretty much a hero with some vague pass.
I blame the lack of her movie because of it.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Well at least she suffered.
The world hates her, she's a criminal, & the love of her life just died right in front of her.
Karma is not totally nonexistent there.
She has already made peace with whatever she did in her past & is now making up for it, it was partly why she sided with Tony.
Hell that was what she pledged to do, as seen in Winter Soldier.
Edited by slimcoder on Sep 27th 2018 at 7:59:29 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."Listen. This is why I say, just put Tony and Wanda in a room, and kick their asses forever.
Hell, take every person who's ever screwed up in the MCU or done something wrong and do just that, no matter how small.
No forgiveness, no second chances, everyone pays for everything.
That way, nobody complains about someone not getting their ass kicked for whatever they do.
One Strip! One Strip!I think what absolves Black Widow and Gamora to me more is that they both show awareness of their crimes and are motivated by their desire to atone. Wanda hadn't expressed any guilt over what she did under Ultron, nor has stated any desire to atone.
Additionally, Black Widow and Gamora were both legally cleared by the governments they turned themselves in to. There's been no indication Wanda received the same thing. She may be free simply because of being sheltered by a team of vigilantes.
Lastly, Widow and Gamora turned because of guilt over their murders. Wanda, and her brother Pietro, turned because Ultron's plan would cause their own deaths.
And the deaths of millions other people don't forget.
Actually, yeah, lets forget it.
So, when Wanda comes back, we throw her, Tony and I guess Quill in jail in some dark dimension to suffer for everything they've done forever.
And then, maybe we can stop talking about this again and again.
One Strip! One Strip!Here's the thing about Iron Man and the Hulk's fight.
You can irrationally blame the Hulk for the destruction and potential loss of life that this battle caused. Banner himself certainly does. One could try to extrapolate from this that the Avengers were irresponsible in bringing him to Johannesburg.
You could super irrationally blame Stark for the destruction and potential loss of life that this battle caused. One could make the argument that he should have devised better safeguards than building a big robot suit and throwing down in the middle of a populated city. Smartest man on Earth can't come up with anything better than a fist-fight with a Person of Mass Destruction in a populated area?
Or you could rationally blame Maximoff for the destruction and potential loss of life that this battle caused. It was her mind-altering powers that set Banner off on this rampage in the first place. She deliberately and knowingly put countless people's lives in danger for the sake of the crimes she was committing.
You could also peg the blame somewhere in the middle and say that Maximoff was a dangerous criminal and the Avengers should have been more responsible in their handling of her.
But no matter which way you slice it, it doesn't really matter because all three of them are Avengers.
Johannesburg is pretty much the perfect example to make Ross's point, and that's why it never comes up through the entire film. The writers don't want Ross to have a perfect example. For the sake of letting Steve's side have a point in the first place, they keep the conversation on collateral damage and away from the various crimes that Avengers have deliberately committed.
Civil War was written in a universe where the worst thing any Avenger has ever done is fail to always save 100% of civilian lives. Even Stark's angst about Ultron is carefully framed to pull attention away from "I built the thing that killed those people." Instead, the conversation is, "We totally weren't paying attention to all the people that were dying while we were having awesome superhero battles against Ultron's forces."
Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 27th 2018 at 9:37:25 AM
My Tumblr. Currently side-by-side liveblogging Digimon Adventure, sub vs dub.So...we should just blame Joss Whedon instead then?
Alright, throw him in the hole as well. Everyone responsible for everything gets tossed in the ass whupping hole.
One Strip! One Strip!...
<Grabs a bat>
Whelp, I hope everybody is ready.
You also realize that half the people on this board would need to go in that hole by you logic right.
That's a lot of faces to hit with a bat. Don't worry, I'm up to it.
One Strip! One Strip!

The tossed passenger maybe, if they had Plot Armor. The cops and the car, they were definitely crushed.