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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
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I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. It was pretty obvious that he was running away and trying not to engage, while those sent to "arrest" him were trying to kill him immediately. Sure, he made some mistakes (Cap even grabs a guy that he accidentally pushed into the stairwell and saves him), but when he's running on the rooftop, he's not a danger to anyone and, in fact, shooting him causes danger to other people. Imagine if T'Challa hadn't been wearing a vibranium suit — the helicopter people shot him a bunch of times! For no reason!
"Hey, look, there's a guy in a cat suit. Should we shoot him?"
"Well, it's not in our mission parameters, but why not."
Edited by alliterator on Sep 27th 2018 at 11:12:43 AM
because T´challa run into the fight for is own idiotics reasons, hell im a little bit annoyed nobody call him of that in is movie.
that is the thing, bucky is really,REALLY hard to trap without killing him by how damn hardcore he is.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
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Is still a rampage in another country on your own that could get other people killed have thing turn wrong.
Is very easy to see t´challa as foil to rogers in that movie since both fit the description given by tony "you think you are right and that make you dangerous".
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so...just like the comics then, got it.
Edited by unknowing on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:29:19 PM
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
I imagine the lack of Robot Clone Gods helped a bit.
And even in that case, Tony barely did anything. He and Banner spent days looking at the stone and got nowhere but the moment they look away, it’s suddenly the Robot Apocalypse.
Ultron was a trap: I stand by that.
Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 27th 2018 at 12:46:11 PM
One Strip! One Strip!Maybe I'm reading the film differently, but as I saw it, Ultron was Stark's idea from the start. He wanted to build an ultimate defensive system to protect the Earth from everything, making superheroes obsolete, because he didn't trust them to stay good forever.
Plugging the Mind Stone into the thing (even by accident) was obviously the point where it went wrong, but Stark was the driving force behind the project. Clearly he's never heard of the Scale of Scientific Sins.
Edited by Fighteer on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:52:25 PM
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!""About the only event that's unquestionably on them is Ultron, and that had nothing to do with supers and everything to do with Stark being a dick."
It kinda does consider stark pretty much got away with it, meaning the team just overlook the fact he try to create a big robot using a alien stone....TWICE!.
Or wanda...but let not really got into that, isnt?
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"![]()
Well, I mean, having two unstoppable murder robots running around really isn't much worse than having just one. Either way the world is doomed, so you've got nothing to lose rolling the dice on Vision being a good egg.
Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Sep 27th 2018 at 2:58:34 PM
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!My guess why Tony has more traction in the movie is that it is largely an international issue, whereas in the comics it was an US domestic thing. It may sound too egocentric but, my home, Germany, lost a whole airport in the Avenger's kerfuffle.
Concerning Ultron, I always thought that Banner or more precisely the Hulk also influenced its personality. Otherwise I say it's the internet's fault, whose idea was it to plug a newborn into that kind of hell?
Edited by FictionAddiction on Sep 27th 2018 at 9:09:17 PM
I am a simple man, I like stories therefore I dissect and discuss them.I didn't really see it as Stark getting away with the Ultron debacle. Well, maybe legally, but personally he carried a shit ton of guilt, which was the main factor why he supported the Accords. He never wanted anybody to make the same mistakes he did.
And yeah, what Wanda did is much more 'getting away with something', given that she willingly supported Ultron and caused tons of damages and probably casualties as well with her mind raping of the Hulk.
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And more important, bucky isnt a petty criminal, the guy have a track record larger than is robot arm and he IS guilty about it even if brainwashing.
he is pretty much every terrorist but in sterioids, doing due process on a killing machine on the base that they may be something in him is foolish.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"