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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Mizerous Pet Owner from Hell Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89527: Sep 24th 2018 at 10:29:31 AM

She's more entering to be sure.

Heck Erik Killmonger is basically "Kylo Ren done right" as well imo.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89528: Sep 24th 2018 at 11:03:05 AM

[up]Keep that discussion to one thread.

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#89529: Sep 24th 2018 at 11:55:02 AM

That wasn't a dork age, that was one of the greatest shit ever! I still dream of the day when someone will finally have the balls to adapt that into at least a cartoon.

I know this is hella late, but Thorg was adapted in a cartoon.

The downside was that the cartoon in question sucked.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#89530: Sep 24th 2018 at 12:34:28 PM

Framework Ward was a nice idea. He was a pretty cool guy and really showed the disastrous consequences of Garrett approaching the real Ward in prison, instead of a decent person like Coulson or Victoria Hand.

Edited by Forenperser on Sep 24th 2018 at 9:34:56 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89531: Sep 24th 2018 at 12:50:57 PM

It was a nice touch. Though he was already pretty messed up at that point, it was early enough to lead him on a better path. It was too late when he encountered Coulson. He pretty much tells Coulson that in one of the first episodes, which is really a great re-watch bonus.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89532: Sep 24th 2018 at 1:09:17 PM

Alright here's something funny I found.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3cYmuXUbl0

Its Captain Marvel & Hulk fighting Ares from one of the Avengers anime.

Also if you scroll down a bit (of course) you'll find a moron or two praising anime Carol for being more "emotive" than movie Carol was in her entire revealing trailer.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#89533: Sep 24th 2018 at 1:46:33 PM

Honestly, though Ego is far and away one of the most evil characters in the MCU, I can feel at least a tiny bit of sympathy towards him. I totally believe some elements of his backstory, like that he was all alone for countless years, and he can't relate to any other people he's ever known on a truly deep level because their lives are so incredibly short compared to his.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89534: Sep 24th 2018 at 2:00:32 PM

Ego has a tragic element to him in that his entire course of action comes from not wanting to be drifting alone the only one of his kind without purpose. It’s just that he refuses to accept any conclusion not as grandiose as he views himself. And the one time he almost did, with Peter’s mother, he gave in to fear and killed her.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#89535: Sep 24th 2018 at 6:26:27 PM

[up]Ego remind to Snape on some point: he wants companionship and to be with someone..but he cant just put aside is own damn nature in order to get it, therefore dooming themselves.

And Frameward feel more the show putting the stuff in their place with ward before letting them go: to show that while he was a pretty awfull man. He was more a product of Garret shaping that just him being an idiot.

Which it make sense since the same season give us Hydrafitz and BOY. that man is terrying as hell.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89536: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:18:56 AM

I Also I believe that he did love Peter's mom (or at least she was the closest that he ever came to loving someone other than himself). And in a twisted way, him killing her proved his love (or at least his own weird version of it) for her, because as he says if he went back to see her again, he would never have left her and his "life's work" would have been for nothing. So he killed her to "remove the temptation" and I get the sense that it's the closest that he's ever come to feeling bad about killing someone else. Also I believe that his offer for him and Peter to take over the universe together was also genuine.

It gives him some dimension to his character, but at the same time shows how skewed/twisted his worldview truly is (yet it also makes sense WHY said worldview is that way at the same time).

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89537: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:40:33 AM

I is still some sort of sociopath.

Though I wonder if him actually loving Meredith was the reason why Peter inherited his power.

All this said...we actually don't know if this was his rationale regarding all woman he was with.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89538: Sep 25th 2018 at 4:37:32 AM

Oh Ego is definitely evil and twisted at the end of the day. However, his dynamic with Peter and Meredith give a bit more interesting facet to his character than many villains get. And if anything in a weird way it makes him even more horrifying in some respects.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#89539: Sep 25th 2018 at 6:50:07 AM

I Also I believe that he did love Peter's mom (or at least she was the closest that he ever came to loving someone other than himself). And in a twisted way, him killing her proved his love (or at least his own weird version of it) for her, because as he says if he went back to see her again, he would never have left her and his "life's work" would have been for nothing. So he killed her to "remove the temptation" and I get the sense that it's the closest that he's ever come to feeling bad about killing someone else. Also I believe that his offer for him and Peter to take over the universe together was also genuine.

It gives him some dimension to his character, but at the same time shows how skewed/twisted his worldview truly is (yet it also makes sense WHY said worldview is that way at the same time).

I actually agree with all of this. Meredith is seemingly the only one where he actually considered such a thing. It's clear that something about her clicked with him. That's the true sadness of his actions: Ego doesn't even realize what he denied himself through killing her. The happiness he sought was right there, and he was too far up his own ass (and a monstrous Sociopath, don't forget) to see it.

[up][up]Hmmm. That'd be an interesting twist.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#89540: Sep 25th 2018 at 11:46:16 AM

Is not much sociopathy thant being a coward.

After all if you take all the sci fi element, Ego is pretty much the "dad that come because he need something" storyline we see in show like fresh prince of bel air or steven universe, Ego represent the lack of comiment because he dosent want to deal with the responsability.

So you can see the same here: Ego was afraid of losing is power and is own powerfull and unique nature so he kill her, it show in his last words to peter.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#89541: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:51:13 PM

Ego is pretty much the "dad that come because he need something" storyline we see in show like fresh prince of bel air or steven universe
I'll grant you Fresh Prince, but that example doesn't apply to Steven Universe — Greg Universe really only wants to be a part of his son's life and doesn't ask for anything in return.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#89542: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:53:06 PM

[up] I assume unknowing is referring to Greg’s old manager who came by only because he had to do something mandated by law & took advantage of his son for his own gain without remorse.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 25th 2018 at 12:52:35 PM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#89543: Sep 25th 2018 at 12:58:35 PM

[up]Pretty much, it was the same "dad come out of nowhere because he wants something". storyline, pretty meh episode but the point still.

hell I will said fresh princeis better because will dad DID spend time with himandit look they were getting along...until he leave against for no reason, breaking will heart in one of the most heart crushing moments in the series.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
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Disasturbator
#89544: Sep 25th 2018 at 1:50:18 PM

Something I was thinking about,Ego probably murdered other celestials unfortunate enough to cross his path,so no wonder he's all alone,he kept killing them!

Also,had Fox not mucked up Fantastic 4 we might have seen the rivalry between him and Galactus play on screen,alas some things will only remain in the cartoons/cartoons

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89545: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:02:59 PM

So, are all Celestials in the MCU Brains with constructed outer casings? But the others gave themselves humanoid forms rather than entire planets?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89546: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:14:06 PM

I doubt it...Celestials are most likely just extremely rare.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89547: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:22:58 PM

So Ego is the only one who's a brain inside a planet?

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#89548: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:28:00 PM

Holy shit alliterator! So glad to see you back in this thread.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89549: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:29:38 PM

I assume if Ego has actually met other Celestials, he wouldn’t have ended up the way he was.

After all, his Start of Darkness involves him having nobody but himself for eons, and then when he finally met someone else he was so used to himself and so powerful in comparison to them that he couldn’t relate. If he had met someone as powerful as himself, he probably still would’ve bee specist towards non-Celestial life, but he would’ve also found d the companionship he wanted.

I doubt he would’ve killed them, except accidentally when he enacted his master plan.

Granted, we only know of two other Celestials at this point: the dude whose head became Knowhere, and Eson who only makes a split second appearance.

Since Captain Marvel is likely going to take the Guardians’ place as Marvel’s cosmic film series once Guardians 3 comes out, I’ve been hoping she meets one in one of her sequels.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 25th 2018 at 2:32:31 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89550: Sep 25th 2018 at 2:33:49 PM

Well the Eternals film is going forward and they're heavily tied to the Celestials.

Oh I forgot to comment on Disney confirming that they're going forward with James Gunn's Guardians 3 script. Which, seems weird to me that they'd commit to that before they even have a director, but what ever. They must have a lot of confidence in it.

Phayla-Vell better be in it Gunn, you promised me.


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