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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89451: Sep 21st 2018 at 6:59:08 PM

Honestly, the best team Marvel has are the Russo Brothers paired with Markus and Mc Feely. I don't know if anyone ever noticed, but since they are in the game they kind of go out of their way to kind of realign the MCU. Civil War basically made Age of Ultron better in hindsight, Infinity war somehow managed to continue the arc of all characters and movies which came beforehand while also improving on Doctor Strange and actually turning the more or less directionless Iron-man franchise into one solid arc. It's quite impressive.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#89452: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:05:12 PM

I'd them, or at least M&M, to oversee the longterm story of the franchise alongside as well, but I have this feeling they want to just take advantage of the name they built at Marvel and do other stuff.

James Gunn was the only guy working in the MCU to really seem to want to make it a full time, long term commitment.

Which isn't surprising, really, GOTG and Vol 2 were very personal projects for him, by all accounts.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 21st 2018 at 11:05:14 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89453: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:10:02 PM

If they use X-Men, they could simply use another villain who isn't Magneto. Or better yet, have Magneto as the head of the X-Men post Heel–Face Turn.

Mr. Sinister has been trying to get into films for like a decade, so they could use him.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#89454: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:12:31 PM

Like when he was the headmaster of the new mutants but minus the part where they kept going behind his back and getting themselves killed and blaming him for it

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#89455: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:24:59 PM

[up]Is that Chuck Austen stuff? 'Cause it smells like his particular brand of shitty writing.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#89456: Sep 21st 2018 at 7:47:38 PM

Claremont. And Louise Simonson.

Maybe a third writer too.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89457: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:02:28 AM

Brie Larson Responded Perfectly to Jerks Who Said Captain Marvel Should Smile More

Despite all the things in the world I’ve seen, I still can’t believe that Captain Marvel not smiling in an action movie trailer was something that would not only bring out the trolls, but would become one of the biggest of the silly hot takes coming out of the trailer.

After the trailer for Captain Marvel was released, some dude on the internet decided to “fix” some images of Carol by using an app to contort her face into a smile, because what reason could women possibly have for not smiling at all times?

Oscar winner Brie Larson, who plays Marvel’s mightiest hero in the upcoming movie, took to Instagram stories, reposting posters of the MCU’s male heroes (originally posted by Twitter user Jane Ritt), with their faces edited into smiles that look horrible because of course they would. Why would they be smiling? These are action films.

According to Uproxx, Larson wrote, “Breaking news: You can be you. That means you can smile or not. You can be strong in the ways you want to be. You can own who you are. If anyone tells you different don’t trust them.”

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#89458: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:05:00 AM

> if they use X-Men, they could simply use another villain who isn't Magneto

Fox blew it with Apocalypse,I'll never forgive for that travesty

Could go with the Dinosaur guy called Sauron

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89459: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:07:07 AM

[up][up] Whut? This is a thing? Have those jerks learned NOTHING from Jessica Jones?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89460: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:08:15 AM

They're probably the same morons who accused that show and Agent Carter of being misandrist.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#89461: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:08:57 AM

What is it they're supposed to have learned

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89462: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:11:14 AM

[up] That it is just incredible creepy to tell a woman to smile.

Fighteer Lost in Space from The Time Vortex (Time Abyss) Relationship Status: TV Tropes ruined my love life
Lost in Space
#89463: Sep 22nd 2018 at 6:36:38 AM

That they don't get to tell women what emotions to feel, or how to express them. That a female doesn't have to be "pretty" rather than stoic, determined, or other things that they uniquely associate with males. Women aren't allowed to encroach, you see, or their testosterone levels spontaneously drop.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 22nd 2018 at 2:48:02 PM

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#89464: Sep 22nd 2018 at 8:20:11 AM

This controversy is 100% Kilgrave-approved.

Some folks should think about that.

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#89465: Sep 22nd 2018 at 8:37:34 AM

Sauron's kind of a joke villain, he'd be best suited as a Cold Open villain fight before the actual plot happens.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#89466: Sep 22nd 2018 at 9:05:26 AM

Could have him as a joke villain until he becomes a dinosaur

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LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#89467: Sep 22nd 2018 at 9:14:27 AM

I thought you were talking about the other Sauron and got very confused.

This song needs more love.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89468: Sep 22nd 2018 at 9:25:46 AM

[up]Oh good, it wasn't just me.

For other X-Men villains, you can try Mr Sinister. He's never been done on film before.

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#89469: Sep 22nd 2018 at 9:57:58 AM

For a Starter Villain, how 'bout Mastermind? If you're introducing a whole ensemble cast of X-Men, you'll probably want to start off with a pretty simple villain who won't eat up too much of their development time. Mastermind's powers, origins, and motivations are bare bones enough you won't need to spend too much time on him, while still allowing for some neat effects and interesting threats here and there.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#89470: Sep 22nd 2018 at 1:02:39 PM

[up][up]Not yet, anyway. The stinger to X-Men: Apocalypse name-dropped him, so it's probable that we'll be seeing him soon.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 22nd 2018 at 2:04:57 AM

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Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#89471: Sep 22nd 2018 at 1:07:49 PM

Isn't Mr. Sinister going to be in The New Mutants? Then again who knows if that film will ever come out.

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#89472: Sep 22nd 2018 at 2:49:44 PM

The Magneto discussions here never get boring.

You guys really need to try thinking of roles for him besides the Big Bad. One of the main issues of the Fox films was his Hijacked by Ganon tendencies, so obviously the MCU should try putting him to the side instead.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#89473: Sep 22nd 2018 at 3:05:53 PM

Eh. Expand the definition of mutants to included the Gifted/Enhanced and Inhumans, why not. It was always an arbitrary distinction in the comics anyway. And then establish secret refuges and even more secret government camps in various countries around the world. The Hellfire Club. 1407 Graymalkin Lane. The Savage Land. Hell, Asteroid M — there was a whole secret history between The First Avenger and Iron Man, why not a man who could bent metal with his mind who used that to fold together a giant space station and fly it out behind the moon or something. I don't want to live on this planet anymore, so I'm gonna take my ball and Start My Own. Meanwhile the US government reached out to Professor X with a compromise — we'll leave you alone if you use your mind control powers to help us cover up all the things we're covering up.

I'm still more expecting there to be some time travel/Elseworlds/Secret Wars shenanigans after/during Avengers 4, but I'm more and more up for the idea that this is the dawn of the mutant era as Captain Marvel and Ant-Man and the Wasp give us more of these period pieces which I'm very happy to see more of.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#89474: Sep 22nd 2018 at 3:56:29 PM

The Magneto discussions here never get boring.

You guys really need to try thinking of roles for him besides the Big Bad. One of the main issues of the Fox films was his Hijacked by Ganon tendencies, so obviously the MCU should try putting him to the side instead.

I agree.

Part of the problem with X-Men media is that pretty much every adaptation tries to present Magneto as the ultimate archnemesis of the X-Men. The great antithesis, the ultimate evil, the number one bad guy, the adversary to end all adversaries, the final challenge, the baddest guy of all bad guys who must be thwarted at all costs.

The Green Goblin to their Spider-Man. The Lex Luthor to their Superman. The Joker to their Batman.

That. Uh. That hasn't really been true in a very long time.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#89475: Sep 22nd 2018 at 4:02:42 PM

> You guys really need to try thinking of roles for him besides the Big Bad.

Dude is crazy powerful and has solid reasons for being a villain,it's predictable I agree for him to be continually the main bad guy but the problem is that the conflict is always between him and Professor X,who is just as powerful as he is so they make a good foils for each other

What roles do you have in mind for him?

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