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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89226: Sep 19th 2018 at 12:54:24 PM

[up][up]Well seeing as how you didn't have it destroyed or placed some place more secure than your backyard, it kind of is your fault.

[up][up][up]The Red Skull had the means to abuse the Tesseract's power all the way back in 1941. And it wasn't Odin who stopped him, it was Captain America and the Howling Commandos.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 19th 2018 at 1:00:55 AM

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#89227: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:09:06 PM

Can the Infinity Stones even be destroyed? Aren't they each the sum power of a dead universe, or something? I could see there being some concern about it in a "what if we unlock this thing and it condenses all matter down to the size of a pea" sort of situation.

I suppose they must not have thought very much of the possibility of anyone looking for the Tesseract on Earth or being able to use its power given the chance — neglecting the possibility of us dumb hu-mons trying to use it for ourselves. I mean, if the Asgardians fully understood the power of the Space Stone, surely they would have been using it for something, wouldn't they? Not giving it to some Norwegian monks so they could keep it in their chest of drawers.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 19th 2018 at 2:57:28 AM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89228: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:10:06 PM

I don't know how the halving the population thing works, actually — does that take into account relative population sizes? Because there could very well be planets and civilizations with smaller numbers for whom losing half the population at once could be devastating, and not the kind of devastating where you suddenly have a sudden surplus of food and livable space and a mostly intact infrastructure. It seems like the Snap would have to be intelligent enough to figure that out for it to work the way Thanos intended.

Given that Thanos didn’t seem to care about any of those factors when halving the Asgardians and destroying their ship (i.e. bringing them closer to extinction and removing their current only source of food, water, and shelter), I figure the Snap wouldn’t have any intent of accounting for those either.

Can the Infinity Stones even be destroyed?

The Mind Stone was destroyed, recall.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Sep 19th 2018 at 1:13:50 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89229: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:17:18 PM

The Mind Stone was only destroyed, however, because of the unique link it had with Wanda's power, which is a one-of-a-kind deal as far as we know. It's still a open-ended question whether any of the other Stones can be destroyed. The film notoriously plays coy whether Strange can destroy the Time Stone or not.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#89230: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:17:45 PM

True, but by Wanda, who is not only one of the strongest people in the setting, but was directly empowered by that same stone. The only weakness the stones seem to have is each other.

EDIT: [nja]'ed. I will add, however, that for all we know the Mind Stone would have repaired itself like the Aether did in Dark World. Thanos just didn't have to bother waiting because he could simply reverse it.

Edited by Discar on Sep 19th 2018 at 1:18:06 AM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#89231: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:19:19 PM

Wanda's powers are super duper inconsistent.

My various fanfics.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89232: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:20:44 PM

I don't think it's inconsistency so much as her being Unskilled, but Strong.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89233: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:39:27 PM

On a tangent, I've seen trailer analysis for Captain Marvel that points out the jets in Carol's air force flash back seem to be from the eighties. Carol might have been in space for a decade by the time the film begins.

And in the topic of scarlet witch. What would we like to see from her mini series? She needs some time to mourn her family and especially Petrio I think. Her relationship with vision could be fleshed out, and while Sam Wilson and Rhodey probably couldn't appear in costume on a budget, I'd love to have more time spent on how their team dynamic worked between Age of Ultron and Civil War.

It would be a new direction for the character but I'd love to see Wanda actually learn about genuine witch craft and explore the occult in a much more gothic way than Doctor Strange could. Heck you could get Benedict Wong in for a cameo.

You could do her kids. It's a bit of a meaty storyline, and I think you'd need to do a lot of legwork to justify why anyone would want to create magic children, but if Marvel ever wants to do the Young Avengers you need to tackle that plot point somewhen.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89234: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:42:22 PM

Given how the film still play up Wanda as being the "young one" on the team to a degree, I kind of feel like it's too early to do the kids storyline.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#89235: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:46:43 PM

Quick point: Earth is not the equivalent of Odin’s backyard. Basically, a rich guy with a security system, guards, etc, buried the dynamite in the backyard of a poor neighbor down the road, assuming no one would look for it there.

Let’s not forget that Odin didn’t own Earth. Yeah, he benevolently defended it, but Asgard’s “defense” of the Nine Realms and prevention of chaos is more analogous to the British empire than anything else. So “chaos” erupting while the Bifrost was down... imagine if the British lost their entire navy for ten years sometime between 1800-1950. Which then leads to questions about what Asgardian/British peacekeeping actually consists of.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#89236: Sep 19th 2018 at 1:51:31 PM

> Which then leads to questions about what Asgardian/British peacekeeping actually consists of.

Calling in mercenaries or local defence force with strong ties to the British/Asgardian empire

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89237: Sep 19th 2018 at 2:04:14 PM

I feel like the other Avengers all call Wanda a kid only because they're all in their late forties or fifties (save for Natasha) I doubt the 29 Olsen is playing a character younger than mid twenties at this point, three years after Age of Ultron.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
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#89238: Sep 19th 2018 at 2:07:49 PM

Also they continually joke about A fish call Wanda

But nobody dares ask her "Where's Cosmo?" because it was'nt funny the first time or second

Edited by Ultimatum on Sep 19th 2018 at 9:07:30 AM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#89239: Sep 19th 2018 at 2:22:49 PM

Don't forget Bucky and Steve, who are probably only in their early 30s. Sam, too.

And someone did the math on Tumblr and found that Thor is the Asgardian equivalent of 23. And Loki is 16. Which explains so much.

My various fanfics.
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89240: Sep 19th 2018 at 2:36:50 PM

I did the math and Steve is roughly the same age as Natasha is (plus minus a few months), Bucky should be a little bit older because he was born a year earlier than Steve and I suspect he spend more time awake.

Yeah, I read that Loki theory too, and while this is fun, it is a little bit misleading in that considering someone from a certain age onward as adult is pretty much a social construct. They both have more live experience than a human teen would have for sure.

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#89241: Sep 19th 2018 at 2:38:35 PM

Is that in Asgardian years or Frost Giant years?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#89242: Sep 19th 2018 at 4:06:11 PM

I actually link the Asgard Empire as closer to Ganghis, Alexander ir Charlemagne than modern Britain, right down to desintegrating right after his founder died, in fact!

Also, the Red Skull was not a alien threat, and more to the point from Odin dropping the Cube on Earth to the second half of the Great War t'was over a millenia.

Which is implied in Thor to be a very short time for a civilization to develop that much while also being quite a bit of time by Asgardian standarts (I'm misspeling the word, aren't I?) at the same time. (Nearly 2 decades, if the math above is right.)

[up]Yes.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 19th 2018 at 8:16:29 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#89243: Sep 19th 2018 at 4:35:43 PM

So here's a Tweet with a quote describing Carol.

I think it fits quite well actually.[lol]

And while I'm at it, here's the interview the quote comes from.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Sep 19th 2018 at 5:37:10 AM

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comicwriter Since: Sep, 2011
#89244: Sep 19th 2018 at 4:55:25 PM

Speaking of MCU TV, Allan Heinberg (creator of the Young Avengers and one of the writers of the Wonder Woman movie) is making a female superhero show for Marvel and ABC.

No word on which characters will be in it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89245: Sep 19th 2018 at 4:58:47 PM

Fingers crossed that they're not shunting Kamala off to tv and will instead give her movie exposure.

On the other hand, I've been saying for ages that they should just make a She-Hulk show. The quagmire that is the Hulk movie rights means the film she deserves is out of the question, but there's never been anything stopping her from bringing her to the television.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#89246: Sep 19th 2018 at 5:06:17 PM

I want to talk more about the Netflix verse being the "everything is fine in MCU" universe. What else is different?

My various fanfics.
HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#89247: Sep 19th 2018 at 5:09:44 PM

Is it really too much to ask for a Spider-Woman show?

While I honestly never cared about Young Avengers, WW has been pretty well received, so fingers crossed that that wasn't just a fluke.

[up][up]Would you believe if I said I think Kamala fits a cartoon or animated movie more?

From her outlandish powers to the overall atmosphere of her stories (Pre-Civil War II, witch is as far as I read), her whole comic has the look and feel of a Saturday-Morning Cartoon.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 19th 2018 at 9:12:15 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#89248: Sep 19th 2018 at 5:14:37 PM

My theory is it's less an "everything is fine" verse, and more that the characters have a myopic disregard for anything that happens outside of New York City.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89249: Sep 19th 2018 at 5:15:45 PM

I'd love a Spider-Woman show. I'm still surprised they didn't use her in the Agents of SHIELD: they've outright said that while they couldn't use the name Spider-Woman, they were freely able to use Jessica Drew herself (and Julia Carpenter, at that).

[up][up] Then they could make a movie with that theme and tone. It shouldn't be a choice between being on tv and being in film, but Marvel chooses to treat it that way.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 19th 2018 at 5:17:15 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#89250: Sep 19th 2018 at 5:36:16 PM

[up] You can blame that cunt Perlmutter for that.

As for Kamala, It's just that elastic powers have rarely looked good in live-action.

The again, Kung Fu Hustle is a thing, so who knows? I do think they should pick someone with a background in animation to fully utilize the potential of the character.

Also, pity they can't use the X-Men yet. A "runaway from the goverment"-style show (dunno what the actual genre name is) with X-23 sounds great.

As long as they keep Daven on limbo where he belongs, alls well.

And of course, the ever elusive Moon Knight TV Show.

Not using Drew is actually puzzling: her ties to Spider-Man are pretty small, in fact, I think it's limited to her name alone. And with the introduction of Ghost Rider and capital-M Magic, they could use Morgan too, no problem.

Edited by HailMuffins on Sep 19th 2018 at 9:39:30 AM


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