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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89176: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:21:40 PM

Well, nothing confirmed yet…

but if it IS true, I can't think of better characters to pick for their respective short shows. I would certainly like to see Wanda getting some time in the lime-light, even without Vision. And Loki, there are so many possibilities there, from one of his adventures when he was still young, relatively innocent and had no idea who he truly was (thus making his later "fall" even more tragic), to the period between The Dark World and Ragnarök. I kind of really want to know what he was up to as Odin, other than investing in the arts.

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#89177: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:24:56 PM

Aren't you against prequels that reset character development? I would've thought you'd want Loki's show to be post-Avengers 4.

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#89178: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:26:01 PM

Well, going by the narrative that everything was kind of going to shit and that the nine realms were in disarray, apparently doing nothing but faffing about and hiring people to stroke his dick.

Speaking of which, is Loki just a moron? "Oh, I've taken over Asgard and am now perfectly disguised as my late father. Let me sit atound in a bathrobe all day, eating grapes and doing nothing Kingly. I'll also fire Heimdall, the most loyal and honest man in all of Asgard, and replace him with a bumbling tattooed slackjawed yokel, all while shirking my duties and having obnoxious, grandiose tributes made in honor of Loki, who I had such a fantastic relationship with. These are all things Odin would do."

Similarly, are the Asgardians morons? "Hey, our King, who has ruled for over a thousand years, is suddenly and inexplicably acting super different. There's no way he's actually Loki, the disgraced former Prince of Asgard who had a touchy relationship with Odin, at best, is known for creating illusions and shapeshifting, and already tried to usurp the throne once before. Right?"

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#89179: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:29:49 PM

I figured that Heimdall being in trouble flowed perfectly well in people's minds from the last movie where he committed treason.

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#89180: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:35:35 PM

I mean, it's not a great way to show that Loki has grown or matured as a character when he basically does what Scar and Hades did when they came to power.

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Aaaand of course I can't get the timestamps to work. Whatever, I've put the relevant times of the videos under them in parentheses.

Edited by SonOfSharknado on Sep 18th 2018 at 2:38:48 PM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89181: Sep 18th 2018 at 11:53:53 PM

Yes, I am very critical of Prequels...and frankly, I would be very happy if Loki somehow survived Infinity War after all. But if there is a character I wouldn't mind learning more about the "time between", it is Loki.

Filling the gabs in the MCU can be fun. After all, Agent Carter was great to watch, too, even though I knew the whole time that Peggy would found shield and eventually die of old age and that Howard would get killed down the line in a so called car accident.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89182: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:18:51 AM

The two years of everyone assuming he was dead between Thor and Avengers Assemble would be ripe for him. You could have him walking the universe and having an entirely fresh cast if you liked.

In other news I just rewatched Iron Man 3 again and gosh I love this film. Brought a tear to my eye at the end, even if the extremely well earned happy ending is undone in three years time in universe.

I really would like the kid, Harly, to come back at some point. I know it's utterly unlikely, but dang that kid has got charisma.

Also it's a bloody shame if Pepper Potts doesn't keep her extremis powers. It's ambiguous in the film itself if she still has them, but it's such a cool power set of being able to heal, melt thing, breath fire and glow in the dark. I imagine she would never have reason to confirm she has them or use them unless we got an A-force film. I believe she's part of the cast for either Avengers 4 or Spider-man Far From Home, so maybe a little Easter egg to show she still has them would be kick ass.

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#89183: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:24:06 AM

@Whowho Mild spoilers for Avengers 4: Harley is in it.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89184: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:33:33 AM

Hades was only ruler of Olympus for about 3 seconds before Hercules showed up to crash the party. And from what we saw of Zeus when he was in charge, lounging about and eating grapes was all he did too.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 19th 2018 at 3:37:09 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#89185: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:39:45 AM

Olympus is more a nice place to live than a position of actual administration.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89186: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:41:37 AM

Yeah Hades seems to be the only Olympian who has a job.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#89187: Sep 19th 2018 at 3:53:32 AM

Hades in the myths also tends to be one of the least dickish of the gods most of the time.

Also Valkyrie show, pretty please.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89188: Sep 19th 2018 at 6:04:30 AM

Keep Loki dead. The character's overused as is, and Thanos snapping his neck in the opening scene of IW was too good of a moment to be retconned. At best bring in Kid Loki to the fold.

As to the question if Loki is a moron: Yes he absolutely is. Loki talks a big game in the first Thor about how Thor is a irresponsible brat (which Thor is, in the first act) but he's actually a even more irresponsible brat than Thor ever was. He's a spoiled, self-righteous prick who thinks he's entitled to a throne he never deserved and whose first decision as King is genocide.

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#89189: Sep 19th 2018 at 6:21:31 AM

I would be surprised if Vision isn't a supporting character in the Scarlet Witch show. According to the article, the shows are planned to be around 6 episodes long, with the budget of a full-fledged film.

That sounds more impressive than it is. Assuming that the episodes are hour-long, each show are basically two movies filmed back-to-back under the budget of only one. Though they'll probably save money by having only one expensive film actor starring in them.

With regards to Loki: I'd love to see Kid Loki take his place after Infinity War, with Tom Hiddleston sticking around as Ikol, his treacherous magpie advisor carrying the memory and identity of the old Loki. That'd be my preference for Loki's future.

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89190: Sep 19th 2018 at 6:28:04 AM

The interesting part of the news is that apparently those shows aren't supposed to be produced by Marvel TV, instead Marvel Studios will be responsible for them. At this rate there will soon be a fight between those two entities who will be allowed to use which characters.

Btw, I don't want a Falcon show. I want a Falcon and Bucky show! I never got my road trip movie, but I take them in a show, too.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89191: Sep 19th 2018 at 6:33:20 AM

[up][up][up]Honestly neither Thor, Loki nor Odin was a good choice as leader of Asgard. Thor's just the least bad among the three.

What I'm saying here is that Asgard really should have become a democracy.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89192: Sep 19th 2018 at 7:03:11 AM

Odin is a mixed bag in that despite his warmongering conqueror ways in his youth he seems to have been a fairly decent King after settling down and he, to his credit, tries to keep both Thor and Loki in check (to mixed success). He starts to unravel a bit in the dark world after Frigga dies, but otherwise he's still a solid leader.

Thor though is a pretty good leading figure from the dark world onwards, questionable tactical decisions aside.

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#89193: Sep 19th 2018 at 7:07:12 AM

He's a good morale leader but time will tell if he's any good at leadership that doesn't involve 'let us run away from my scary sister' or other such crises

Edited by Bocaj on Sep 19th 2018 at 10:06:47 AM

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89194: Sep 19th 2018 at 7:14:55 AM

This might not be the moment to have leadership discussions between the Asgardians. They first need a new home.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#89195: Sep 19th 2018 at 7:23:55 AM

Well, that if depending how the Snap affect them, at this point im questioing how much of them live right now.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89196: Sep 19th 2018 at 8:38:36 AM

While it doesn't excuse Loki's behaviour, the amount to which Odin screwed up in raising him cannot be overstated. He adopts him and never tells him of his heritage all the while raising him on stories about how Frost Giants, Loki's own people, are irredeemable monsters. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone with common sense when Thor decides to invade their home and Loki decides to wipe them out. They're only following daddy's example after all.

That's not even getting into the mess with Hela.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#89197: Sep 19th 2018 at 8:47:37 AM

So apparently the internet hates Brie Larson. At least from what I’m seeing, she’s criticized as being a flat performer.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89198: Sep 19th 2018 at 8:50:40 AM

Her performance didn't seem flat to me.

Edited by windleopard on Sep 19th 2018 at 8:51:04 AM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#89199: Sep 19th 2018 at 8:51:47 AM

The whole "Odin raised Loki on stories about Frost Giant boogeymen" has effectively no evidence for it other than Loki's own warped view of his life. From the little we actually see of Odin's parenting of Loki he loved Loki like a son and spends basically the entirety of Thor 1 stressing how the peace with the Frost Giants must be maintained and how we shouldn't wipe them out wholesale. He's the one member of the royal family actively defending Frost Giants every time they're brought up. Loki is the one who leaps to "let's wipe them all out".

Odin's biggest screw up was not telling Loki about his parentage, but I wouldn't lay the blame for Loki's own psychotic genocidal warmongering ways at Odin's feet per see. Odin's greatest fault I see was more Parental Obliviousness than malice, as the critical faults in both Thor and Loki seem to completely blindside him (even when kid Thor seems to be already showing Blood Knight traits and kid Loki already seems to be brewing eternal envy for his brother).

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#89200: Sep 19th 2018 at 8:56:18 AM

Flat performer is the same thing these same people have said about every major female character.

Its background noise.

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