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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89001: Sep 11th 2018 at 12:12:05 AM

Hii playing Hydro-Man is definitely a stretch, yeah.

Though, just thinking of the idea, I don't mind the possibility of seeing Hydro-Man in the film. I think Far From Home should absolutely begin with a scene of Spidey having a regular encounter with a strange, off the wall Silver Age-style supervillain. Like Batman taking down Scarecrow in TDK, or the chase in the beginning of Amazing Spider-Man 2.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#89002: Sep 11th 2018 at 12:19:38 AM

I really want more day in the life stuff. It was something I always enjoyed from the Raimi movies. They did it a little at the beginning of Homecoming, but I wanted more, that sense of time passing.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89003: Sep 11th 2018 at 1:05:25 AM

One big thing I've wanted to see from a superhero movie, but especially the Homecoming series because I think Spidey's Rogues Gallery and the series' tone in general could really work with it, is a sense that in between movies the character has been fighting supervillains and doing amazing things even when we haven't seen them. The MCU feels a lot smaller than it could be because they don't do stuff like that, so I've been hoping they would start.

I'm actually hopeful that Far From Home will do it, because I've been thinking that movie will be about Peter growing into having the reputation of a hero now that he has the temperament of one.

Like, we're introduced to Spidey in the film by having people mention a rumor about a guy who was brought in by Spidey, who people say could shoot lightning from his face. We see newspaper clippings where people wonder if there are actually giant lizards in the sewers, and if there's anything to the story that Spider-Man went down there to fight once. Or mention that a crimelord known as the Big Man was taken down by Spider-Man, with an expose by the Bugle about him being one of their own.

This could all be accomplished in a few seconds with, say, a pan across Peter's room with newspaper clippings of Spidey's exploits - followed by a cut to him fighting another supervillain unrelated to the main plot.

Basically, have Spider-Man's growing career against supervillains be a thing, but have the outside perspective be a plot point. And then have Mysterio's thing be taking advantage of that, pretending to be Spidey and playing on people's lack of surety of who exactly he really is.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89004: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:06:22 AM

Okay, here is one thing I can't stop wondering: Why is everyone leaping towards Hydroman? Wouldn't Namor be a more likely bet? There have been rumours that the Disney Lawyers have managed to entangle him from legal limbo, and if they want to generate interest, wouldn't the news that Namor has his first appearance in a Spider-Man movie a better draw than whoever Hydroman is?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89005: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:19:22 AM

Because Namor isn't a Spider-Man villain? Besides why would they need Namor for a draw when Spider-Man alone is enough of a big seller?

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89006: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:25:10 AM

[up] And yet they had Ironman in the last Spider-Man movie. I can see Sony insisting on getting more toys to play with, so to speak.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89007: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:46:47 AM

Iron Man is a draw (and was barely in the film anyway). Namor not so much.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89008: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:59:27 AM

Certainly more of a draw than Hydroman…..

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#89009: Sep 11th 2018 at 3:01:23 AM

Hydro-Man is a classic Spider-Man rogue — he'd be an in-joke for the comics fans if he showed up. Namor has nothing to do with Spider-Man, and it'd be weird to waste him on a little cameo like this. That and Namor's powers are geared more toward superstrength, flight, and swimming in water rather than blasting people with it.

He seems like an introduction they'd do in a more epic, less lighthearted franchise than Spider-Man. I could see, for example, "Namor, the Sub-Mariner" showing up around the same time they introduce the X-Men, in another flashback to olden times, maybe a newsreel. "First Mutant" and all that.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 11th 2018 at 4:12:23 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89011: Sep 11th 2018 at 3:50:23 AM

[up][up]Or, say, a Fantastic Four movie.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89012: Sep 11th 2018 at 4:54:56 AM

Though if they want to introduce Namor, wouldn't it make sense to use either Spider-Man or Black Panther? Of the new franchises, they are easily the most successful ones….

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#89013: Sep 11th 2018 at 5:00:25 AM

[up][up]And see, a cameo from the Fantastic Four in a Spider-Man movie, now that would fit nicely.

[up]Just doesn't seem like something that's all that close to happening. We've already got Black Panther. Aquaman is coming. It makes the most sense to hold off on Namor until he can be used as a proper supporting character, in which case F4 makes the most sense.

Edited by Unsung on Sep 11th 2018 at 6:01:09 AM

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#89014: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:00:11 AM

Remy Hii could be playing Mr. Negative (the Chinese-Malaysian ancestry fits right with the character), but he seems too young and fresh-faced (even though he's 32) for a character that tends to be portrayed as in his late thirties.

We'll see how it goes I guess.

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89015: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:08:26 AM

Then again, it wouldn't be the first time the MCU age lifted a character. See Bucky, Aunt May and Justin Hammer.

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#89016: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:18:12 AM

MCU Aunt May is younger than comics Aunt May and original Spider-Man trilogy Aunt May, but she's actually older than Amazing Spider-Man Aunt May.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#89017: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:33:17 AM

Let’s be real, a teenager having a 70+ year old aunt in the comics never did make much sense. May would have to be 54 when Peter was born. So unless there was a miracle baby situation, Peter’s parents would have to be much younger than May, and had Peter when they were in their 40s.

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#89018: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:47:31 AM

Now that you mention it,is weird that 'aunt' May is that old,they were probably thinking of calling her 'Grand Mother' May but went with aunt May because it's less of a mouthful

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wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
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#89019: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:54:23 AM

If she was his great aunt but he called her aunt, it’d make more sense.

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#89020: Sep 11th 2018 at 8:56:45 AM

Graunt May

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#89021: Sep 11th 2018 at 12:51:28 PM

I always called my great aunts simply “aunt” as a kid, so it never felt off to me.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#89022: Sep 11th 2018 at 12:57:07 PM

I believe Ben is Peter's father's brother, so it's possible there's an age gap between Peter's parents as well. I went to high school with a guy whose dad was like 70 (his mom was in her fifties), and I've met people in their mid-twenties who have kid siblings barely out of preschool.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#89023: Sep 11th 2018 at 1:21:39 PM

In any case, even an "elderly" Lady wouldn't dress and look like aunt May nowadays. That would be like dressing like HER grandma.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
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#89024: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:14:24 PM

Aunt May doesn't really look like that anymore. Even the mainline continuity took a few notes from Ultimate Aunt May, and she'd updated her wardrobe a few times. Sam Raimi just made her as old-fashioned as he could, because all three of his movies were pretty stylized.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#89025: Sep 11th 2018 at 2:28:18 PM

Tbf, that was what comic May looked like at the time.


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