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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#88851: Sep 2nd 2018 at 11:13:18 PM

I get that, but I feel like it'd be something of a Happy Ending Override for Ghost if that happened, for a given value of "happy".

Oh God! Natural light!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88852: Sep 3rd 2018 at 8:31:06 AM

Thunderbolts’ lineup would be interesting in the films, especially since of most of the surviving villain a good chunk of them are sympathetic, and while Thunderbolts as a concept needs some of the team to be sympathetic and choose right over wrong, I don’t think most of them should be.

There’s also the bit that movie Zemo wouldn’t be caught dead leading a team of superhumans because he hates their guts.

Those can be dealt with though, so I’m more or less good about it.

Given that a Thunderbolts movie should absolutely introduce a character as a focus / protagonist as well (that is, a Young superpowers crook who joins the Big Bad’s plan, but realizes - with the help of a world weary, goodhearted cohort - that they don’t want that life and rallies the others to switch sides), I think that character should definitely be Songbird.

As for the team, provided the movies don’t introduce someone really cool and new soon, and assuming as always that tv characters aren’t invited to the party, I’d say: Songbird, Vulure and Ghost as the good ones (with Ghost maybe even being undercover), and Abomination, someone new using the Whiplash tech, Batroc, and then make it look like Zemo but actually have it be someone unexpected as Big Bad like Crimson Cowl or something.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 3rd 2018 at 8:31:20 AM

Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#88853: Sep 3rd 2018 at 9:30:23 AM

[up] Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Crimson Cowl is just an alias Ulltron used in his original story, right?

Zanthype from The Tardis Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Hoping Senpai notices me
#88854: Sep 3rd 2018 at 10:22:56 AM

Watching the first Thor movie for the first time in years was a trip. I forgot how straight up unlikeable he is at the beginning. Imagine if Loki hadn't let the frost giants in to Asgard, and the version of Thor that nearly starts an all out war because someone called him a "little princess" was actually given Asgard. Yikes. That would've been a nightmare for his people.

"In 900 years of time and space I've never met anyone who wasn't important."
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#88855: Sep 3rd 2018 at 10:39:08 AM

And Odin is the wise figure of authority and not someone hiding the past from them,aside from Loki actually being a frost giant

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88856: Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:00:40 AM

Speaking of watching old Thor movies, I was watching the Dark World recently, and I've just now realized that Loki has played a role in the deaths of both of his adopted parents.

He told Kurse which direction to go in once he escaped (and that led to Freya's death) and stranded Odin on Earth, which caused him to die as well.

Inadvertent Familicide twice. Oh that wacky crazy Loki. And it's funny, because Thor probably doesn't know about the Freya case (though it's debatable if Kurse wouldn't have figured out where to go on his own, or if Loki's actions had any affect on things at all, but even if it didn't, he probably did believe he was responsible).

One Strip! One Strip!
wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88857: Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:05:43 AM

It’s more tragic than funny. Loki clearly feels tremendous guilt about Frigga’s death, which was entirely outside of his intent (tells Kurse which stairs to take? Intent: cause chaos and problems. Result: dead mom)

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#88858: Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:13:57 AM

I feel it's pretty likely that he feels guilt over Odin's death too and everything that led to

Didnt Loki intentionally kill Laufey? Three dead parents

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88859: Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:17:26 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Crimson Cowl is just an alias Ulltron used in his original story, right?

Yes, though it’s also been used by other characters as well - in particular, if I’m remembering right Justin Hammer’s daughter led an incarnation of the Masters using the identity.

I’d be down for any of the people who used the identity, though. Even, maybe especially, surprise Ultron.

Unsung it's a living from a tenement of clay Since: Jun, 2016
it's a living
#88860: Sep 3rd 2018 at 11:33:43 AM

They could have Justine Hammer show up on Runaways and be about the same age as the kids. Not that that show needs any more villains or stuff to deal with, but I'd kind of like that, all the same.

Loki also killed the Avengers' father/midwife figure, then later gets yelled at by Thanos. Seriously, no wonder he's got some kind of complex about it.

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#88861: Sep 3rd 2018 at 2:48:19 PM

A collection of memes based on Infinity War's "Let me guess, your home?" exchange between Strange and Thanos:

One, two, three, four, five, and my personal favorite.

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#88862: Sep 3rd 2018 at 2:51:21 PM

They could have Justine Hammer show up on Runaways and be about the same age as the kids. Not that that show needs any more villains or stuff to deal with, but I'd kind of like that, all the same.

I thought the same thing about Agents of Shield. IMO, the first couple seasons of AOS would've been the perfect place to use either Zeke Stane or Sasha Hammer (not Justine, since Sasha's closer in age), and am still a little disappointed it never happened.

LordVatek Not really a lord of anything Since: Sep, 2014
Not really a lord of anything
#88863: Sep 3rd 2018 at 3:14:33 PM

[up][up]This one is my favorite.

This song needs more love.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88864: Sep 3rd 2018 at 9:46:28 PM

This one is my favorite. Not sure why the top and bottom are cropped out, and the characters aren't quite right, but it's just such a perfect pairing.

XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#88865: Sep 4th 2018 at 1:25:49 AM

Popped in Spider-Man: Homecoming for shits and giggles. Wow, this movie is way better than I give it credit for. It's positively drenched in charm. Very, very refreshing for both Spider-Man and the MCU. So, so many great performances all around. Also funnier than I remembered. Still not quite as good as Got G 2 or Thor: Ragnarok in my book, but still definitely a top 5 for the franchise in my book. Also apparently Ferris Bueller's Day Off, Frank Sinatra and the TED Talk exist in the MCU.

Pretty cool to know the MCU redeemed not one but two franchises last year after they each had two pretty iffy movies early in the decade.

Edited by XJTordecai on Sep 4th 2018 at 2:03:03 AM

On my wave, passing oooooooon
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88866: Sep 4th 2018 at 3:13:47 AM

Somehow I like Homecoming better the more often I watch it.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88867: Sep 4th 2018 at 4:40:37 AM

I feel really weird about fan casting Vulture as being a member of The MCU Masters of Evil. I don't know why, but it's just weird thinking that a character could be on two super villain teams.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88868: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:01:20 AM

I actually assumed that Marvel is working towards the Sinister Six.

TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
(•̀⤙•́)
#88869: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:36:32 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if they are. In one movie, they gave us Vulture, Shocker, and Tinkerer while also introducing Mac Gargan, the man who would become Scorpion.

Four villains. Four villains. Homecoming made it 2/3 of the way to a Sinister Six and did it without sacrificing storytelling quality.

It's just like I've been saying about Winter Soldier: it doesn't matter how many villains your movie has, as long as they all serve a single narrative thread. Quantity of villains isn't what killed Spider-Man 3 and Amazing 2; quality of storytelling is.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 4th 2018 at 6:39:22 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#88870: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:52:03 AM

I kind of want to see Batroc in the MCU Masters of Evil now that I remember he exists.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88871: Sep 4th 2018 at 5:59:24 AM

[up][up] Full agreement. At this speed they will have a good selection by the time the trilogy is finished.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88872: Sep 4th 2018 at 6:02:47 AM

[up][up][up]Not to mention Prowler.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88873: Sep 4th 2018 at 9:30:38 AM

Quantity of villains isn't what killed Spider-Man 3 and Amazing 2; quality of storytelling is.

This is true. I mean, his motivations were wonky once he reached the point where he had to fight Spiderman, but before that, I thought Electro was pretty good. At the least, he's as powerful as you'd expect him to be.

One Strip! One Strip!
Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#88874: Sep 4th 2018 at 9:44:56 AM

Got Infinity War for my birthday,now to watch it with the rest of the family

evil grin

have a listen and have a link to my discord server
RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#88875: Sep 4th 2018 at 9:47:32 AM

Winter Soldier and Homecoming don't really have multiple villains. Each of them has one villain who has a lot of henchmen.


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