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Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM
I strikes me how little experience Scott has compared to other heroes. He only has a year of active superheroing between Ant-man and civil war. Other times he's spent under house arrest or stuck in the quantum verse?
Even spider-man has him beat now with, uh, two and a half years of active superheroing given he'd been Spider-man for six months when Tony found him. And Wasp has seemingly had three years of undercover work between Ant Man and Ant and and the Wasp.
Probably not free
It helps knowing that Dr Strange exists to help keep Loki in line
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Thankfully he has Doctor Pym as a mentor, otherwise he'd be a disaster waiting to happen.
Marvel did a prequel comic to Infinity War, and it made it clear it was after. After Cap busted the team out, Scott and Clint asked to be dropped off with their respective families.
So it's likely they turned themselves in after going home and made the offer for the deal.
Edited by comicwriter on Sep 1st 2018 at 8:40:08 AM
Okay, last question, what were Scott, Hope and Hank charged with exactly? They're not members of the Avengers, so the Sokovian Accords don't dictate if they can cross boarders to superhero or not. So, were they charged with aiding and abetting the Avengers in breaking the Accords? Which would make sense to me given how Scott got such a light slap on the wrist. Hope and Hank seem to be in hiding more because they don't want to turn over their tech, rather than hiding from any kind of scary sentence.
The Accords are not limited to the Avengers. A hundred countries are not going to draft a massive treaty solely for half a dozen people. While the specifics are left deliberately vague (and it was even a joke in Ant-Man and the Wasp that no one understood the agent when he named the exact chapter and paragraph of the Accords that Scott violated), the point is that they regulate any "empowered" people. That's a very broad term, and covers both people with powers like the Inhumans and people with special tech like Scott.
Writing a post-post apocalypse LitRPG on RR. Also fanfic stuff.Scott's crimes would presumably be property destruction (he smashed a lot of stuff at that German airport) and aiding & abetting an escaped fugitive (Bucky). Also, possibly entering a foreign country without a passport (it's unclear whether Sam went through normal airline channels when bringing Scott over).
You know, it makes you wonder what would have happened if Cap had come to Tony with what Bucky had told him.
Sure Ross wouldn't trust him (Either Ross), but as we saw with later on, Tony puts a bit more faith in what Steve says, though he'd need solid proof, which they couldn't supply.
I do think that Tony might have checked it out on his own to confirm, or would have least tried to find a way to do so.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah. Though I think an important thing to consider is that while Zemo's timing was very fortuitous (that he chose this time when the team was in a very vulnerable place, both professionally and personally), we also have to consider that his plan was just keep going until I succeed or I die. He was totally willing to kill himself after he was done, but considering how far he was willing to go, and how many innocent people he was willing to kill just to create this moment where all the important players were gathered together, I honestly think that if something had happened to prevent that opportune situation in the movies climax, he'd had just tried something else.
It's just like why he killed all those people in the first place: the guy he wanted the info from chose death first, so he went to plan B of Flush out the worlds greatest Spy / Assassin instead.
Though Bucky was probably his last chance, and he'd have been screwed if the Police killed him.
I wonder just how thoroughly he studied the Avengers actually? Did he even infiltrate the compound in disguise and listen in on some conversations when he got the chance? Because a lot of his plan hinges on things like Cap choosing to interfere in the attempt to arrest Bucky.
One Strip! One Strip!I get the impression that Zemo's "plan" was more just a series of Indy Ploys. It's impressive in its own way, but I don't think he was a Chessmaster who'd profiled every member of the Avengers and could predict their every move. But he's good at reading people and improvising as the situation changes — the same as the Avengers themselves, really. He's a villain who operates like he's the hero.
Edited by Unsung on Sep 2nd 2018 at 5:08:23 AM
Honestly, that one is more than likely.
I'm sure Ross would love to get his hands on someone who gave the Avengers a bloody nose for Wetworks missions.
And in the event that they start causing problems. I'm genuinely surprised he didn't try and recruit Zemo for hunting down Cap's team.
One Strip! One Strip!I am also in favor of a Thundebolts, but Marvel's adherence to Superhero Movie Villains Die means it's kinda difficult getting a roster together - the best I can think of is Abomination, Vulture and Zemo, but the problem is that a) Abomination is from The Incredible Hulk and as such is not liable to be used again any time soon and b) Zemo and Vulture are in two different prison systems, and it's unlikely anyone could convince people to let Zemo out of his cage for a microsecond after he BOMBED THE UN.
Best case case scenario is some post-Avengers 4 thing, but there are so many variables it's hard to tell.
Edited by Aleistar on Sep 2nd 2018 at 8:22:12 AM
Zemo, Abomination, Ghost, Vulture, and probably at least one character introduced in the movie itself.
If Vulture can't be used then sub him for another newbie.
Either way Zemo betrays the team, gets either an army or personal superpowers, and the other four have to face him in a final battle.
You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!Is there an issue with the Abomination via rights issues of some sorts, or is it just that there aren't many things from The Incredible Hulk that they want to touch?
Though they brought back Ross, so maybe I'm just seeing something that isn't there.
One Strip! One Strip!

My guess: Scott and/or the suit was too wiped after the airport fight to do any more shrinking. So, while everyone else was distracted by what was going on with Rhodey, he tried to leg it out of there. But with the authorities closing in, he realized he wasn't going to get away, so got the suit to a mailbox as quick as he could.