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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 29th 2024 at 3:09:00 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88451: Aug 16th 2018 at 3:04:28 PM

Yeah Tony gets way more shit than Steve. The amount of people who I've seen say Steve did nothing wrong in Civil War and that everything bad that happened was Tony's fault is nauseating.

I think Steve himself would be nauseated by people claiming he did nothing wrong. He's well aware that he screwed the pooch hard in Civil War. Hell, that entire final fight was born solely out of his decision to not tell Tony about what happened with Bucky. I'm sure once he looked back on it in hindsight, he realized he pulled a lot of stupid stunts though in his defence, in addition to his self admitted inability to pull back when he knows someone's in danger, he himself was massively emotionally compromised due to Peggy's death, and Bucky being the subject of the manhunt.

It's pretty clear he was desperate to not lose his last friend, but he's well aware that Zemo's plan would have imploded at the end if he'd been straight with Tony earlier.

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XJTordecai Watch the seventh wave Since: Jun, 2013
Watch the seventh wave
#88452: Aug 16th 2018 at 3:09:20 PM

After everything he's been through I'd be fine with Tony just retiring at the end of Avengers 4. You could write him out for good while at the same time giving him a happy ending for once. Probably not likely but god does he deserve it. After ten years of bullshit and trauma I just want this guy to catch a break.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#88453: Aug 16th 2018 at 3:23:52 PM

Dude's got, like, twenty billion dollars to his name. I think he's already caught a pretty good break all things considered.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#88454: Aug 16th 2018 at 4:15:32 PM

Most of Tony's arc is about he's so obsessed with saving the world that he has to personally fly around and fix as much as possible. His life isn't exactly terrible, but his billions aren't really doing much but providing him with more ways to save the world.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#88455: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:05:47 PM

On the upside for Tony, I think there's decent odds that Avengers 4 (and Phase 3 overall) will end with his and Pepper's wedding. Would be a nice way to cap off this whole era of the movies.

wisewillow She/her Since: May, 2011
She/her
#88456: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:13:48 PM

Meanwhile, I’m about 80% sure that Cap’s gonna die in the most tragic, heartbreaking way possible.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#88457: Aug 16th 2018 at 6:38:15 PM

Bucky: "Oh Steve... if only there was someone out there who loved you"

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88458: Aug 16th 2018 at 8:49:12 PM

[up]

More tragic than that.tongue

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Eagal Since: Apr, 2012
#88459: Aug 16th 2018 at 9:05:26 PM

Thanos has a secret Dragon whose skin is colored orange. He's going to stab Cap through the heart with a flagpole that has the American flag attached to it. wild mass guess

Edited by Eagal on Aug 16th 2018 at 9:04:56 AM

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#88460: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:34:35 PM

wild mass guessThaonos uses the Time Stone to turn Steve back into his scrawny, pre-super soldier self, just to make the beat down even easier.wild mass guess

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#88461: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:35:40 PM

And then puts him in that Powerless episode of EMH

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#88462: Aug 16th 2018 at 10:55:41 PM

I had a dream that Iron Man 4 was coming out right now, and its opening scene was Spider-Man stopping a train robbery. Venom was the cargo on the train, and it was meant to be kind of a Venom tie-in for the Venom movie. The thing was, Iron Man and Spider-Man were breaking the fourth wall to talk about it being a Venom tie-in, and the way they talked was clearly like they were on a pedestal making fun of Venom. Saying stuff like "apparently there's this little Venom movie coming out, so we decided to be nice and throw them a bone by including him in our film".

But Venom wasn't even cool, he was a goofy-looking cartoon character with the dialogue of the Tazmanian Devil and he was just a pathetic joke. But then Venom and Spidey's battle went to a train station, and suddenly Venom was awesome classic Venom, and it was implied that the reason he looked so different was that the Symbiote had gotten into Spider-Man's head and was messing with his senses.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88463: Aug 16th 2018 at 11:16:56 PM

Honestly, I would be totally fine if nobody dies in the next movie. But if I had to pick between Tony and Steve...yeah, byebye Tony. And that is not even because I prefer Steve (because I feel that there are a lot of Superhero manchildren, but really not enough paragons of virtue out there), its for practical reasons. RDJ is starting to look to old to fly around in a metal suit, he is too expensive, his role as tech genius of the MCU can easily be taken over by Shuri, and while I would miss him, him making the ultimate sacrifice in the end just would make sense.

Chris Evans might want to take a break from the Captain America role, but I can see him gladly going back to it in-between his more artsy (and less lucrative) roles, he is way younger than RDJ and even if he weren't, exploring an aging Captain America would actually be an interesting angle. Plus, unlike Tony, Steve never really got his happy end. He never had a period in which he could simply enjoy himself ever in his whole live. He went from sick and poor, to a soldier waking up in a new world, drifting around in a state of depression, discovering that Bucky is alive but forced to fight Hydra, then he finally found Bucky but was forced to see him going back on ice while he himself went on the run for years and now Infinity War happened to him. The guy barely got two kisses out of all this. Him dying would just be too unfair for my taste.

Edited by Swanpride on Aug 16th 2018 at 11:26:02 AM

DeathsApprentice The Ultimate Lifeform from The Ark Since: Aug, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
The Ultimate Lifeform
#88464: Aug 17th 2018 at 3:47:31 AM

I totally agree with that reasoning, because that's why I really don't want Steve to die, but I dunno... I'm worried he might end up dying anyway. sad

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88465: Aug 17th 2018 at 8:28:07 AM

If Tony died, his suffering would end, but Pepper would be miserable.

If Steve lived, he'd suffer far more...

...Kill Tony.cool

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#88466: Aug 17th 2018 at 9:11:38 AM

Wakanda Is Crucial in Avengers 4, According to the Russo Brothers

[url]https://www.themarysue.com/wakanda-avengers-4-russo-brothers/[/url]

Luigisan98 A wandering user from Venezuelan Muscat Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: I <3 love!
A wandering user
#88467: Aug 17th 2018 at 9:15:38 AM

[up] Again? Or does it refer to something else with the vibranium in it?

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#88468: Aug 17th 2018 at 9:40:47 AM

Iron Man gets a Vibranium and Uru suit.

Punisher286 Since: Jan, 2016
#88469: Aug 17th 2018 at 12:32:14 PM

If I had to pick one, I'd pick Steve to die. Not because I have anything against him mind you. It's just that A. It'd be somewhat less predictable, B. It more fits his characterization in the MCU than it does Tony's, and C. I feel like it opens up more options moving forward.

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88470: Aug 17th 2018 at 4:54:21 PM

This video has a couple of really interesting thoughts about The Winter Soldier, especially the first scene. I openly admit, the friendship aspect didn't really occur to me beforehand, but the observations are spot on.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#88471: Aug 17th 2018 at 7:14:51 PM

...You know, reading this thing about how Friendship is important, it makes me wonder?

How do you think Tony would have felt if he'd actually succeeded in killing Bucky? Would he have regretted it? Would he have felt he'd crossed a line and become a murderer?

Was Bucky not the only person Steve was trying to save during that fight? Could you say he was trying to save Tony from himself as well?

Because both men were his friends and all. Now, make no mistake there was selfishness in Steve's actions as well, but I can totally see it being played as trying to save both of them in a way.

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TobiasDrake (•̀⤙•́) (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#88472: Aug 17th 2018 at 7:55:33 PM

Thinking is not a free action.

That's the kind of motive that befits a prolonged campaign of reaching out to someone. This took place entirely within the span of a fight scene, which means that Cap's mind was preoccupied with making the fight stop. I doubt he gave it much more conscious thought than "SHIT SHIT SHIT SHIT".

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#88473: Aug 17th 2018 at 8:06:46 PM

I wish more comics were brave enough to give characters thought bubbles filled with panicked non thoughts like that

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#88475: Aug 18th 2018 at 4:51:00 AM

[up][up][up] Well, I don't think that Tony would have been able to live with himself had he succeeded. He was acting after all in affect, and Steve knew this. But I am not sure how much of this was at the forefront of his mind in this moment. Let's not forget that for a split second, it looked as if Steve would kill Tony in order to rescue Bucky. Steve is in the end only human, and while protecting Tony from himself might be part of his train of thoughts at the start of the fight, when he still tried to reason with Tony, towards the end, when Tony had already beaten him down and shot off Bucky's arm, I think he let lose his anger and the most important thought was "protect Bucky". And if he had been forced to kill Tony to do it, he might have done it.


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